2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)

dingyibvs

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A multitude of reasons.

Putting a bunch of power armoured troops into one vehicle just makes that one vehicle a massive priority target for opfor. That holds true even after your troops dismount since that vehicle is also their primary power source, so taking that out drastically reduces your power armours field endurance.

With the power source limitation in mind, putting your primary power source in vehicles means your troops need to regularly return to said vehicle and sit in the crew bays and recharge, so you need to either put your vehicles closer to the contact line, thereby increasing the risks to said vehicles, or have your power armoured troops spend a significant proportion of their time ferrying back and forth. With mounts, they can do 90% of combat ops mounted, including combat engagements, and only dismount for specific tasks like clearing small buildings. With mounts, you can also bring spares for redundancy, and depending on how much you want to spend on the mounts, those could easily be combat UAGVs in their own rights, just like a much bigger, more advanced robot dog, so your section could easily dismount and basically double its effective combatants.

You can make the mounts wheeled or tracked, but that won’t provide the versatility of legs, especially in complex terrain such as forests and shell pocked roads and bombed out buildings and minefields etc. Even in urban combat legs holds a significant advantage over other forms of locomotion since cities are designed for legs.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

The only difference between a mount and a vehicle is legs vs wheels/tracks. None of the other things are unique to either platform. So the trade off is really between the versatility of legs vs the efficiency of wheels/tracks.

In general, wheels/tracks IMO will be the dominant choice, because your soldiers already have legs so mounts don't offer anything new.
 

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Many soldiers in the parade were equipped with a nearly phone sized device on their wrists.

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这款终端不仅具备强大的通信能力,能够在各种复杂环境中保持稳定连接,还能实时传输战场动态,精准引导打击目标,甚至监测士兵的身体状况。
This terminal not only has powerful communication capabilities and can maintain a stable connection in various complex environments, but can also transmit battlefield dynamics in real time, accurately guide strike targets, and even monitor the physical condition of soldiers.


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This thing has been around for about 2 year I believe. This is the controller that should come standard in the Type 21 Infantry System.

Before the parade, we were all joking about the army just having new boots. In fact, the army had everything but the infantry equipment did not have much update.

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MwRYum

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Many soldiers in the parade were equipped with a nearly phone sized device on their wrists.

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这款终端不仅具备强大的通信能力,能够在各种复杂环境中保持稳定连接,还能实时传输战场动态,精准引导打击目标,甚至监测士兵的身体状况。
This terminal not only has powerful communication capabilities and can maintain a stable connection in various complex environments, but can also transmit battlefield dynamics in real time, accurately guide strike targets, and even monitor the physical condition of soldiers.


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Until there's a proper demo of that thing, you gonna have people joke about that thingy as like what Helldivers call down eagle strike or hellbomb...
 

AssassinsMace

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Even the unofficial post troop parade looks better than Trump's official parade. Such patriotic spirit on display and there are Americans who hate it to the point they would arrest anyone showing pride... if they could. I know plenty of Americans where seeing this would get their undies in a bunch enough to be angry. It's like when the J-20 first flew and those crowds of people were around CAC in joyous celebration to where David Axe was so bothered by it that he had to write an article just on that spinning how those Chinese were actually foolishly working for the US bringing it to America's attention. And the US position against China has only gone down ever since. So what did it do?
 

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Many soldiers in the parade were equipped with a nearly phone sized device on their wrists.

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这款终端不仅具备强大的通信能力,能够在各种复杂环境中保持稳定连接,还能实时传输战场动态,精准引导打击目标,甚至监测士兵的身体状况。
This terminal not only has powerful communication capabilities and can maintain a stable connection in various complex environments, but can also transmit battlefield dynamics in real time, accurately guide strike targets, and even monitor the physical condition of soldiers.


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China copies Helldivers.
 

Heliox

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The only difference between a mount and a vehicle is legs vs wheels/tracks. None of the other things are unique to either platform. So the trade off is really between the versatility of legs vs the efficiency of wheels/tracks.

In general, wheels/tracks IMO will be the dominant choice, because your soldiers already have legs so mounts don't offer anything new.

Do the mounts need to go where the troops go?

On an aside, why do tracked MBTs have to be paired with tracked IFVs in an Armoured Bn?
The rational is largely so that the IFVs, and hence troops, are able to keep up with the tracked MBTs. If you put wheeled IFVs together with tracked MBTs, there will be terrain that will force the formation to split because what is trafficable to a tracked MBT may not be passable to a wheeled IFV. Platforms expected to work together at the point of contact need to share similar tactical mobility traits.

Choice of legs or tracks or wheels fundamentally changes your concept of a matched pair of soldier/sidekick. A legged unit will be able to keep up with the soldier and can function as a fighting sidekick. A wheeled unit is largely reduced to the role of a transport-logistic unit except in exceptionally benign terrain.
 

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- One assessment
Possible Manned-Unmanned Teaming
1. Type 100 MUMT family- ZTZ100 tank, ZBD100 Support vehicle (possibility of UGCV carriage as per original design), ZRZ100 UGCV 12.7mm (missed out by most as part of Type100 family since displayed in Land Combat Unmanned module). In any assault, the ZBD100 could possibly launch mini UGCVs (if mounted as per original design) to clear the assault objective ahead or simply move ahead of the MBT and Support vehicle to recce, lure & clear enemy opposition.
2. Four UGCVs displayed, from CAB ex 71st Group Army, could form an Unmanned Assault Team itself- ZRZ100, All terrain ATUGV ZRY222 (In-service 2024), Mine clearing UGCV; Tracked mine clearing UMCV GPJ221 (In-service 2025) & Unmanned CWB221 Drone Carrier / Utility Vehicle, Robotic Dog (In-service-2024). A basic start as seen in Ukrainian Unmanned assaults in December 2024 & July 2025, to form MDUVs team for recce, assault, combat support & logistics
3. PLA's planned Mechanisation, Informatisation & Intelligentisation happening simultaneously.
4. PRC's adversaries need to prepare for machine vs human & machine vs machine fights more effectively
 

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Many soldiers in the parade were equipped with a nearly phone sized device on their wrists.

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这款终端不仅具备强大的通信能力,能够在各种复杂环境中保持稳定连接,还能实时传输战场动态,精准引导打击目标,甚至监测士兵的身体状况。
This terminal not only has powerful communication capabilities and can maintain a stable connection in various complex environments, but can also transmit battlefield dynamics in real time, accurately guide strike targets, and even monitor the physical condition of soldiers.


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They’ve got a pipboy already, please get a matching power armor too by 2030.
 

dingyibvs

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Do the mounts need to go where the troops go?

On an aside, why do tracked MBTs have to be paired with tracked IFVs in an Armoured Bn?
The rational is largely so that the IFVs, and hence troops, are able to keep up with the tracked MBTs. If you put wheeled IFVs together with tracked MBTs, there will be terrain that will force the formation to split because what is trafficable to a tracked MBT may not be passable to a wheeled IFV. Platforms expected to work together at the point of contact need to share similar tactical mobility traits.

Choice of legs or tracks or wheels fundamentally changes your concept of a matched pair of soldier/sidekick. A legged unit will be able to keep up with the soldier and can function as a fighting sidekick. A wheeled unit is largely reduced to the role of a transport-logistic unit except in exceptionally benign terrain.

For the most part, it doesn't need to go everywhere the troops can go. Size will be a limitation more than terrain in many situations such as urban combat (think clearing buildings).
 
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