2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

FairAndUnbiased said:

It does matter though.

Jamming is EM loud. The plane emits noise or fake signals. If your radars are jammed you know something is there and the rough direction based on bolometry, just not what it is.

Stealth is EM quiet. The plane doesnt emit signals and redeflect signals that come to you. Your radars work, they just see nothing over the noise limit.

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Radar SAM jamming via EW or kinetics prevents proper target designation and guidance, so you know an attack is coming but you can do nothing to stop it and engage the B-2. I speak about EW jamming from personal experience, in an exercise I participated in, we suffered EA from the adversary and we could do nothing and faced total blackout, this was 20 years ago. Compare that to the B-2 Spirit flying silently over half of Iran until it reached Fordow and Natanz with the possibility that any surviving longwave radar could detect and locate the B-2 capable of shooting it down.

Sinnavuuty said:

Radar SAM jamming via EW or kinetics prevents proper target designation and guidance, so you know an attack is coming but you can do nothing to stop it and engage the B-2. I speak about EW jamming from personal experience, in an exercise I participated in, we suffered EA from the adversary and we could do nothing and faced total blackout, this was 20 years ago. Compare that to the B-2 Spirit flying silently over half of Iran until it reached Fordow and Natanz with the possibility that any surviving longwave radar could detect and locate the B-2 capable of shooting it down.

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It’s also possible that the US just saturated the air space with other planes as decoys to draw the attention of radars.

Aegrotare said:

only if it comes from the same plane and that is not even fully true. If not they are highly potent combination .

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You'll know something is there, even from different plane. Just not what it is or what other planes there are.

latenlazy said:

It’s also possible that the US just saturated the air space with other planes as decoys to draw the attention of radars.

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What is being speculated is that Israel cleared the air corridor by attacking the SAMs and radars with drones and missiles that the B-2 would fly over, but the Americans would definitely have placed the RC-135 to sniff out any radar emissions at the time of the attack and especially when the B-2 was over Iranian territory and Growlers for SEAD in addition to other aircraft (Gen. Caine says 4th/5th generation aircraft) for DEAD loaded with kinetic munitions. It is worth mentioning that the Americans previously carried out extensive aerial reconnaissance over the Persian Gulf.

SinoAmericanCW said:

As I expected, Iran will carefully calibrate its response to the U.S. strikes:

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They are scared to retaliate against the US obviously. lol Just a few days ago they were saying if the US launches any sort of attack against Iran they will not hesitate to retaliate against US bases in the region. lol Now they are saying they will depend on “conditions of war” or whatever that means . lol This is after shouting death to America for decades now(I don’t know what’s their plan to bring death to America .lol).

There was close coordination between Trump and Israeli gov before the US strikes. At Trump’s request, IAF destroyed as many Iranian AD systems as possible in southern Iran.

At the request of the Trump administration, the Israeli Air Force took out multiple Iranian air defense systems in the 48 hours leading up to the U.S. strike on Iran's Fordow nuclear facility, three U.S. and Israeli officials told Axios.

Trump told Netanyahu he wanted the Israeli Air Force to eliminate as many Iranian air defense systems as possible in southern Iran — to clear a path for incoming U.S. B-2 stealth bombers.

The U.S. then provided Israel with a list of air defense systems it wanted eliminated ahead of the strike, an Israeli official told Axios.

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texx1 said:

There was close coordination between Trump and Israeli gov before the US strikes. At Trump’s request, IAF destroyed as many Iranian AD systems as possible in southern Iran.

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Full BS.

Iranian systems are not S-200 ones, with fixed launchers.

It takes only one single BUK at the target zone to generate widow from the pilot's wife.

Not possible to jam, or to "stealth out" or whatever.

Anyway, USA is a habitual liar, still waiting not doctored pictore of the Oresnik strike site, but all purchasable sat picture fake and photoshoped.

Unless the Iranian side give statement about this there is no credit .


At the moment the most probable is they used stand off weapons, and everything else is lie.

texx1 said:

There was close coordination between Trump and Israeli gov before the US strikes. At Trump’s request, IAF destroyed as many Iranian AD systems as possible in southern Iran.

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Important detail:

The fighters en route from the US to Europe heading to the ME were, according to Open Source, heading to Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan.

It seems that a major refueling operation took place on the route from Jordan > Iraq > Iran, at the same time that the B-2 Spirit was heading to Iran.

I emphasize this because the B-2 could only have followed the Syria-Iraq-Iran or Israel-Jordan-Iraq-Iran route, according to the positioning of the F-22s and other aircraft at Muwaffaq Salti Air Base.

The IAF had already attacked the reactor at Arak with what appears to be the 80 km Popeye missile:

Some local air superiority to Arak had been established for the IAF to have used the Popeye on the Arak reactor. Arak is 100 km from Fordow.

There was also an unprecedented buildup at Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia.

This clearing of the southern air corridor seems like interesting news, because I don't see the B-2 taking the southern route unless Israel actually cleared the air corridor first, but the IAF had already established a viable air corridor to Arak, so I would have thought the most likely route would be the same one the IAF took to reach Arak, through western Iran, not south as the article mentions.

Overbom said:

Pathetic excuse of an Iranian Foreign Minister. Trump should bomb them again just for them talking too much

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Dude what do you want them to do ? Retaliate and fight the US?
come on, let’s be realistic, Iran is no a match for the US military, they are already struggling enough with Israel. So if they make the US to intervene against them it will only make things worse or the mullahs. So negotiations is no a bad thing.

As I said before Iran should review its entire foreign policy and change course after this conflict. It’s policy of chanting death to America and death to Israel hasn’t worked for the leaders and their people. They have to change their system . I know its hard since the regime came to power riding its legitimacy on an anti American/anti western/ anti Israeli platform . So its difficult to come back from that and change course after almost 5 decades of such propaganda. But hey have to change eventually. Can’t carry on like this. They are a medium country, they shouldn’t be involving themselves in the big boys games.

Michael90 said:

Dude what do you want them to do ? Retaliate and fight the US?
come on, let’s be realistic, Iran is no a match for the US military, they are already struggling enough with Israel. So if they make the US to intervene against them it will only make things worse or the mullahs. So negotiations is no a bad thing.

As I said before Iran should review its entire foreign policy and change course after this conflict. It’s policy of chanting death to America and death to Israel hasn’t worked for the leaders and their people. They have to change their system . I know its hard since the regime came to power riding its legitimacy on an anti American/anti western/ anti Israeli platform . So its difficult to come back from that and change course after almost 5 decades of such propaganda. But hey have to change eventually. Can’t carry on like this. They are a medium country, they shouldn’t be involving themselves in the big boys games.

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I don't think they should change their foreign policy of anti-Americanism at all. US is on the decline and on its way out of Middle-East, unless they want to get pulverized in East Asia. Iran's time is only coming. Once US is on the way out, Gulf Arabs will be in big trouble. They have nothing in terms of strategic capabilities. They have no independent industry and their armies are entirely rent seekers. It is Iran that will dominate. They have already shown they can destroy the most heavily fortified AD in the world and do damage. That means Gulf Arabs are no match for Iran.

What Iran should do and I think they will do is increase their relations with China and Russia. Get better AD and planes.