2019 India-Pakistani border clash

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After Pakistan shot down 2 Indian jets the Pakistani military spokesperson and Pakistani PM in their statements made this public that Pakistan has captured 2 enemy pilots and then corrected the number by saying they only have "1 Indian pilot". Indian government and media after that was claiming that 1 pilot was captured by Pakistan and the other one is now missing in action.

Now the news is circulating and confirmed by a senior Pakistani diplomat and a Pakistani news anchor that the second pilot in Pakistani custody is an Israeli pilot. On 28 Feb just after the Pakistan and India engaged in aerial dogfights this photo of Israeli pilots with Indian Air force pilots was tweeted by Israeli IDF reservist and a Pro-Israel commentator which confirms that Israeli pilots were present on ground in India. Pakistani intelligence agencies also reported the presence of Mossad and Israeli military operatives in Indian Rajasthan who were their to facilitate an Indian missile attack on two Pakistani cities Karachi and Bahwalpur.

According to senior Pakistani diplomat US is in talks with Pakistan to secure the release of Israeli pilot who was shot down and captured by Pakistani military. Faces of Israeli pilots were blurred to conceal their identity.

7 March 2019

Link to Hanyana's tweet where he tweeted the photo of Israeli and Indian pilots.

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Pakistan May NOT Have Violated F-16 Deal in Clash With India, US Media Says

New York Times journalist Maria Abi-Habib on Wednesday, quoting American sources, revealed that contrary to India's insistence, Washington considers Pakistan not to have violated its F-16 purchase agreement when its jets got in an dogfight with Indian warplanes which led to the reported downing of an Indian MiG-21.

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Indian media: in love with the military, blind to the truth of Pakistan conflict?

Indian media made a fool of themselves by publishing the army’s claims that up to 300 terrorists had been killed in Pakistan — and it's not the first time this has happened.

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Balakot Air Strike Was A Message, Did Not Intend To Kill: Union Minister

>> From the claim of entering and killing more than 350 claimed Jihadis to A message which didn't intend to kill.
India has taken another U-turn in the story ...

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Pakistani fighter jets were close to Northern Army Headquarters of Indian Army

>> Indian Media reports that Pakistani fighter jets were close to Northern Army Headquarters of Indian Army in the operation Conducted by Pakistan Airforce on 27th February.

Top Indian Military brass was also present at Northern Army Headquarters of Indian Army.

As reported by Pakistan Armed Forces back then, it was a soft reminder for India that we have the capability and we can use it if felt necessary against any aggression ...

NOTE: Northern Army Headquarters of Indian Army has a distance of around 80Km from LOC(Border).
If you look at the Map, it tells that Pakistan Airforce has gone 80km deep Inside India near to its Northern Army Headquarters of Indian Army ....

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SRINAGAR, India (AP) — Indian and Pakistani soldiers shelled military outposts and villages along their highly militarized frontier in disputed Kashmir on Wednesday, in an outbreak of new violence despite stepped-up diplomatic efforts by the rival countries to ease tensions.

The two armies accused each other of initiating the artillery and mortar fire and small-arms gunfire. No casualties were immediately reported.

Tensions have been high since Indian aircraft crossed into Pakistan last week, carrying out what India called a pre-emptive strike against militants blamed for a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in Indian-controlled Kashmir that killed 40 Indian troops.

Pakistan retaliated, shooting down two Indian planes and capturing a pilot, who was later returned to India in a peace gesture. The two countries have also resumed bus and train services that were stopped following the escalation of tensions, the most serious in the long-simmering conflict since 1999, when Pakistan's military sent a ground force into Indian-controlled Kashmir.

In another effort aimed at easing tension with India, Pakistan on Tuesday arrested dozens of people including the brother of the leader of the outlawed Jaish-e-Mohammad militant group, which claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing in Kashmir.

Among the detainees were Mufti Abdul Rauf and Hammad Azhar, two prominent members of the group who were on a list of suspects given by India to Pakistan over the weekend.

Pakistan on Wednesday continued a crackdown on seminaries, mosques and hospitals belonging to outlawed groups, saying the actions were part of its efforts to fight terrorism, extremism and militancy. In Islamabad, authorities also took control of a mosque and dispensary run by Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a charity run by an anti-India cleric, Hafiz Saeed, that is widely believed to serve as a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant group blamed for attacks in Mumbai in 2008 that killed 166 people.

In Pakistan, foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said its ambassador to India was returning to New Delhi and a Pakistani delegation will also travel to India on March 14 for talks on opening the first visa-free border crossing between the nations, a corridor that will allow Sikh pilgrims to easily visit their shrines on each side of the border.

India's foreign ministry also confirmed the talks.

"Tension has eased because of our successful diplomacy," said Qureshi, who led diplomatic efforts in recent weeks to muster the support of the international community to prevent a possible war with India. He said Washington, Beijing, Moscow and several Muslim countries played a significant role in easing tensions.

"We appreciate the role of the United States in de-escalating the situation," he told reporters in the capital, Islamabad.

However, border tensions continued.

The new violence flared up at several places along the Line of Control that divides the Himalayan territory of Kashmir between India and Pakistan. Both of the nuclear-armed rivals claim the entire territory.

Both sides accused the other of violating a 2003-cease-fire accord and said their soldiers retaliated "befittingly and effectively."

Tens of thousands of people live in rugged, mountainous and lush green-forested areas along the frontier on both sides of divided Kashmir despite a climate of constant fear. Each year cycles of border violence break out between the two countries. Hundreds of civilians have died in the skirmishes, which have also killed livestock and damaged property.

The high tensions last week displaced hundreds of villagers on both sides. Many are still living in government-run shelters or with relatives and friends in safer places.

Sitting outside one shelter in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, Mohammad Lateef, 42, said he had to leave his village near the Line of Control when Indian mortar shells began landing. "Our homes were destroyed in a 2005 earthquake and since then we have been living in tin-roof sheds," he said. "We are poor people. We don't have enough money to run our kitchen. How can we build bunkers to protect ourselves from Indian firing?"

Another resident, Rubina Bibi, 32, said she wants peace "so that we can live without leaving our own villages" in Kashmir. "Give us peace and we will want nothing else," she said.

In Indian-administered Kashmir, the situation was no different.

"We have seen these cycles of violence. They grab each other to kill and then they grab each other to hug," said Shafaat Ali, a resident of the Poonch frontier area. "Even if tensions between the two countries ease and they resume all relations as normal, our lives still remain under stress."

Nusrat Bano, a resident of the Mendhar area who has taken shelter with her relatives for about two weeks, said border residents know the real meaning of peace. "Peace is good, very good. Who would say it's not. But let there be peace in our lives too, in our homes too."

India accuses Pakistan of training, arming and sheltering rebels who began fighting Indian forces in 1989. Pakistan denies the allegation, saying it only offers moral support to Kashmiris seeking the right to self-determination for the entire territory.

Most Kashmiris support the rebels' goal of uniting Kashmir either under Pakistani rule or as an independent country, while also participating in civilian street protests against Indian control. About 70,000 people have died in the conflict since 1989.

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Pakistani media person Zafar Halale claims he has information regarding second pilot belongs to third country Israel. This guy is well credible and I don't see any reason for him to make a false claim. If it turns out to be false information then it will be shock for me.
Thanks for this information. Does anyone have any idea when this Israeli pilot will be released? Thanks.

After reading several news reports I feel this conflict has the potential to escalate quickly.:(


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Hello everyone,

Firstly, I'd like to apologize to the Chinese hosts of this forum for the recent hysteria coming from us Pakistanis on the internet recently. People get carried away in such times. Many claims were made by both sides, and much disinformation has spread online.

The following is intel on the air engagement I received from multiple sources within the PAF. I hope this helps to clear up some events:

1) The strike package consisted of Thunders and Mirages. Air cover was provided by Vipers, which remained within our airspace and never crossed the LOC.

2) The IAF scrambled Bisons. Flankers were also involved (they were most likely already flying CAP.) There are reports of Mirage 2Ks, but i have no confirmation they were involved and i doubt it.

3) PAF's strike package successfully released their payload from our side of the LOC, composed of the H-series standoff munitions, and guided them to their targets while crossing the LOC. The targets were multiple infantry and SOF HQs in IOK. The chosen points of impacts were open fields besides the structures to demonstrate capability only.

4) As the strike package disengaged, and headed back across the LOC, the IAF had vectored in Bisons and Flankers.

5) As the Bisons and Flankers closed in, they were engaged by the Vipers in waiting. The result was one Bison downed (only 1 confirmed kill).

6) The PAF is convinced that it took out a Flanker, mainly because a Viper called "Fox 3" on the Flanker. However, there is no (credible) evidence of a Flanker's wreckage and no confirmation from the IAF, therefore it is likely the AMRAAMs either missed, or the Flanker was damaged, but made it back to base.

7) The Mi-17 which went down near Srinagar, I have been told was fratricide.

One open question at this point is: Was the Bison downed in WVR or BVR combat? This is important because the Bison is equipped with an Israeli jamming pod which according to the USAF makes BVR shots on it much less effective. If it was downed by Fox 3, it means the PAF has cracked this jamming, and would be significant from an EW perspective. On the other hand, if it was Fox 2 or Guns, it would mean its HOBS/HMDS capability failed, against Vipers, which are not equipped with an AIM9X. Another open question is how many total A/C were involved in this engagement on both sides? On the surface, it appears like the PAF was able to attain local superiority in the area.

Regarding the infamous end-user agreement of the Vipers: It has two sections. One that is public, and another that is classified. The way the PAF used the Vipers here, most likely falls within that classified section, and this is why the ISPR clumsily denied that Vipers were involved. The ISPR screwed up here with its wording. It should've simply said the Vipers were not involved in the strike package and refused to answer beyond that. Instead they over reached.

The other mistake by the ISPR was reporting 2 kills and 2 pilots captured initially, but this is normal confusion in the opening moments of any military engagement. They rushed out a statement in excitement. However, as some Indian commentators have admitted, the "perception battle" was won by Pakistan, by a long margin. In this sense, the ISPR did an effective job overall, and the leadership in Pakistan played its cards very effectively (up till the writing of this post at least.)

Again, at this point, there is zero evidence of any other kills. There is no evidence of any Flanker kill, and no Vipers were shot down either. Both sides are exaggerating their claims, however, India's claims from the outset, since the (failed) Balakot strike, have been completely ridiculous.

... I hope this helps.
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