075 LHD thread
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As far as I know, only 4 Yak-36 was built, the result is good. Anyway, another aircraft - Yak-38 was serial built (200+) aircraft was being built but these aircraft are mainly for the Soviet Navy. Also only 4 of them (Yak-38) took part in a 50 day trial in Afghanistan codenamed Romb-1.
So... there are noooooo Yak-36... and there are no Yak-38 being delivered to China. If the sample are from Afghanistan... only 4 actually flown there, one was lost in Afganistan... lost as in crash or something like that.
Also, a little common sense here, Yak-38 aircraft suffer from the following,
1) problems in conditions of high heat/high humidity
2) underpower
3) an adequate combat radius
Sooo.... if the chinese is not interested in superior aircraft like the Su-35, what make you think they would be interested in the antique flying coffin (in today's standard) - Yak-38? For the VTOL ability... which might actually be the main cause of all the problem that the Yak-38 is actually suffering from.
Chinese airforce is no longer a graveyard for planes that people didn't want.
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The performance was terrible, particularly from their vessels. Very underpowered. Very short range. US Naval aviators had a nick name for them:
FUGSD - "Fly up, get shot down"
I do not think the Chinese have much, if anything to learn from them. They would learn more from the Harrier, and I bet with as many of those as have been proliferated around to different countries, they could get their hands on one if they wanted.
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SinoSoldier
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China was offered the Harrier during the Cold War days, but got canceled after Tiananmen.
Yes...that was the "official, above board," route that was canceled.
But, I would not be surprised to find that China either has, or is, attempting to get one through less above board means since then to take a look.
There are still quite a few of them out there, and were operated by the US, the UK, Spain, Italy, India and Thailand. OIOnly the US, Spain, italy, and India operate them now. The Chinese were not likely to get one from the US, UK (who sold all of theirs to the US Marines), India, or probably Spain or Italy, but Thailand's Harriers were less secure...and they got far less use out of them. In 2006 or 2007 they discontinued use of them and I am not sure what they did with them.
Would not be surprised at all.
Now, I believe that the Type 75 LHA that the PLAN is building is going to be in the neighborhood of 40,000 tons, similar to the US Navy the Wasp Class LHD. We shall see when it is launched.
But, in order get a better feel for just how big that is, let's compare the new 22DDH, Izumo, DDH-183, directly to the Wasp Class LHD of the US Navy. This is what I will do with the PLAN vessel when it comes out too.
So, here is a port side view of the USS Bataan, LHD-5, the fifth US Navy Wasp Class, and from the same perspective on the port side, the view of the newly launched JMSDF Izumo, DDH-183.
The Wasp is 30 feet longer, it is about 10 feet taller, but it's beam is actually 3-4 feet less.
As you can see, the new Japanese vessel is a very large ship. Even at 30,000 tons full load, which is 3,000 tons larger than they admit to, I believe if fully outfitted with aircraft and fuel, it will actually be closer to 35,000 tons. The Chinese LHA appears to be very similar, if not larger still.
The Japanese are already building their second vessel in this class. As I said, with the parts being put together in the lower left of the earlier photo, I believe it is possible that the PLAN is currently building two Type 75 LHAs.
But, in order get a better feel for just how big that is, let's compare the new 22DDH, Izumo, DDH-183, directly to the Wasp Class LHD of the US Navy. This is what I will do with the PLAN vessel when it comes out too.
So, here is a port side view of the USS Bataan, LHD-5, the fifth US Navy Wasp Class, and from the same perspective on the port side, the view of the newly launched JMSDF Izumo, DDH-183.
The Wasp is 30 feet longer, it is about 10 feet taller, but it's beam is actually 3-4 feet less.
As you can see, the new Japanese vessel is a very large ship. Even at 30,000 tons full load, which is 3,000 tons larger than they admit to, I believe if fully outfitted with aircraft and fuel, it will actually be closer to 35,000 tons. The Chinese LHA appears to be very similar, if not larger still.
The Japanese are already building their second vessel in this class. As I said, with the parts being put together in the lower left of the earlier photo, I believe it is possible that the PLAN is currently building two Type 75 LHAs.
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asif iqbal
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Jeff has the second vessal been laid? I don't think it has
Blackstone
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It's a good thing the French don't have Harrier technology to sell China, because they would do it if they had it.
Blackstone
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As you can see, the new Japanese vessel is a very large ship. Even at 30,000 tons full load, which is 3,000 tons larger than they admit to, I believe if fully outfitted with aircraft and fuel, it will actually be closer to 35,000 tons. The Chinese LHA appears to be very similar, if not larger still.
The Japanese are already building their second vessel in this class. As I said, with the parts being put together in the lower left of the earlier photo, I believe it is possible that the PLAN is currently building two Type 75 LHAs.
DDH??? What a joke. If the Japanese believe lying about their LHAs by calling them "Helicopter Destroyers" would make their neighbors less concerned about their aggressive postures, they're out of their minds.
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I believe the Japanese care little about what her neighbours might feel. They even named the ship the same name as the one that used to carried invaders into China.
I think why they do it was because they are bound by their own constitution and that they are not allow to have a carrier after WWII... and if they finally get to change that constitution, you can be sure that they will immediately name that ship a small carrier and began to build larger ones.