071 LPD thread

Jeff Head

General
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I can see ARG based on the following

Imagine this

2 x LPD, 1 x LHA and 1 x Type 901 tanker

Escorted by CG and DDG

Wow what a tonnage
I'd add a couple of Type 072 LSTs in there.

One LHA, two LPDs two LSTs, and the escorts. (Probably a couple of Type 054A FFGs and a Type 053C/D DDG.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
I have no idea what I am typing these days !! Yes I meant to add a LST in there for some reason I missed it

Let's hope we see some nice operations of fully loaded Type 726 LCAC operating from the well decks of multiple LPDs

Also more rear deck helo operations

Even better ad a Chinese CSG to the ARG !! Wow that would be awesome
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I'd add a couple of Type 072 LSTs in there.

One LHA, two LPDs two LSTs, and the escorts. (Probably a couple of Type 054A FFGs and a Type 053C/D DDG.
Since China doesn't have a jump jet like the Harrier, doesn't it make sense to build more LPDs and wait on the LHD/LHA until it develops a jump jet (buying rights to the Yak-38 and co-op with Russia to modernize it might save some time)?

My guess is we'll see a few more Type 071 and its improved versions before an LHA/LHD.
 

delft

Brigadier
Since China doesn't have a jump jet like the Harrier, doesn't it make sense to build more LPDs and wait on the LHD/LHA until it develops a jump jet (buying rights to the Yak-38 and co-op with Russia to modernize it might save some time)?

My guess is we'll see a few more Type 071 and its improved versions before an LHA/LHD.
I can imagine China not developing a jump jet but using unmanned fixed wing aircraft on a LHD.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I can imagine China not developing a jump jet but using unmanned fixed wing aircraft on a LHD.
I doubt any military force would use strictly UAVs, since there's always a danger of what Iran did to the US RQ-170 drone, no matter how good the counter-hack measures. I don't see Mark-1 eyeballs over the battlefield ever being retired.
 

Jeff Head

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Since China doesn't have a jump jet like the Harrier, doesn't it make sense to build more LPDs and wait on the LHD/LHA until it develops a jump jet (buying rights to the Yak-38 and co-op with Russia to modernize it might save some time)?

My guess is we'll see a few more Type 071 and its improved versions before an LHA/LHD.
In order to perform the LHD role, you d not necessarily need Harriers or JSFs.

The Mistrals are a perfect example in point, as is the HMS Ocean. They use attack helicopters to give close support, but use the vessel for its main purpose, that of either air or amphibious assault.

I expect the Chinese are going to build an LHD type vessel, and will not need a STOVL aircraft to make it effective.

In the mean time...they will also continue building Type 071 LPDs. I believe at least two more are on order (and one of those may already be building) for a total of six once those are done. They have four now.
 
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delft

Brigadier
I doubt any military force would use strictly UAVs, since there's always a danger of what Iran did to the US RQ-170 drone, no matter how good the counter-hack measures. I don't see Mark-1 eyeballs over the battlefield ever being retired.
The unmanned aircraft wouldn't be the only fixed wing aircraft. It's just that I see sense in keeping manned and unmanned aircraft on different ships.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
In order to perform the LHD/ role, you d not necessarily need Harriers or JSFs.

the Mistrals are a perfect example in point, as is the HMS Ocean. They use attack helicopters to give close support, but use the vessel for its main purpose, that of either air or amphibious assault.

I expect the Chinese are going to build an LHD type vessel, and will not need a STOVL aircraft to make it effective.
PLAN already has the capability of attack helicopter storms with their four 071s, each providing battalion-strength Marine landings. I'm not sure if a LHD without jump jets gives PLAN more capability than two additional 071 LPDs. I suppose the LHD could be better in showing the flag and in humanitarian assistance, however.
 

Jeff Head

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The unmanned aircraft wouldn't be the only fixed wing aircraft. It's just that I see sense in keeping manned and unmanned aircraft on different ships.
On a vessel like an LPD or LHD, they will have both.

It's just that they do not necessarily need a manned fixed wing fighter/bomber in order to effectively use an LHD.

They can (and IMHO will) use manned attack helicopters to give close support to the troops ashore.
 

Jeff Head

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PLAN already has the capability of attack helicopter storms with their four 071s, each providing battalion-strength Marine landings. I'm not sure if a LHD without jump jets gives PLAN more capability than two additional 071 LPDs.
LHDs carry many more troops.

LHDs have a larger craft (both water and air) carrying capacity with much larger hanger space for upkeep of more aircraft.

LHDs typically have larger and much more functional command spaces, hospital facilities, etc.

If the Chinese foresee any need for large amphibious operations, or very large humanitarian capabilities, LHDs makes sense.

Otherwise, they can certainly double up on LPDs.

I expect the PLAN is going to do both.
 
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