071 LPD thread

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

And would we agree that we could get 3 vehicles on a LCAC? It's more than 30m and most vehicles the marines have are less than 10m so fitting 3 wouldn't be out of the question

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Well, if all four are in there it has to be a minimum of 132 meters. However, I do not believe they designed it with that close of a tolerance because then the first one in would literally be touching the far end of the well deck towards the bow, and each LCAC would then touch (be bumped right up against) the LCAC in front of it, and the last one in would literally be touching the closed door.

No, there will be some allowance for room in between. I believe the minimum length is probably 140m and perhaps 145m. This means that the well deck takes up either 2/3rd or more of the entire length of the Type 071.

On that basis and on the basis of the following pictures I can with full confidence say that the well deck of the Type 071 LPD can take 4 x LCAC

In addition after seeing the pics of the folded tail of the Z8 I can also say that there is now no doubt that the Type 071 hanger can indeed take 4 x Z8

Wow that is a amazing! I think there is a consensis on this and not again can anyone question the quantity of LCAC and Z8 that the Type 071

Even Warship magazine has questioned the lift capacity of the Type 071 I think we did a better job than them!

These were the pictures I referred too I still don't quite get the LCAC and traffic lights but that doesn't matter these pictures clearly show the length of the well deck

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

And the important part now is that Type 071 LPD can be used successfully for a over the horizon amphibious assault

The LCAC will carry a mix of vehicles and troops, but lets say 4 LCAC can transport 12 amphibious vehicles, each Z8 can transport 25 troops which means a air drop can drop 100 marines while the LCAC can off load 12 vehicles per sortie

Off the top of my head 42 commando from the British Royal Marines has that kind of amphibious capacity, a very good assault force and that's from a over the horizon attack

For close in support I can easily envisage 48 vehicles in the well deck (4 columns of 12 units) and the vehicle comparment in the back should easily hold another 16 so we have ~60 amphibious vehicles which can be sent ashore for close support once beech head is secured, Enough mechanised equipment to equip a battalion, these numbers are just great!

Now we have 3 LPD meaning 2 can be used at any one time so multiply up the above numbers by 2 and that's a serious force to break through the toughest enemy defences which can contain the element of suprise and the ability to launch a flanking manoeuvre or a behind enemy line drop

More capability means more options means more flexibility, that is what wins wars, it's very good to see the full capability of the Type 071 in this context

But so far China has not fully equipped Type 071 to that extent but it does have the capacity to do so, eventually there might come a time when China does load up the LPD but as of now we have only seen a small glimpse of what Type 071 can do

Equipping it with 1 LCAC and 2 Z8 is really not utilising the LPD and does not do it justice but I'm sure as time goes on we will see these LPD brought to full strength gradually

 

[A.Man]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

And the important part now is that Type 071 LPD can be used successfully for a over the horizon amphibious assault

The LCAC will carry a mix of vehicles and troops, but lets say 4 LCAC can transport 12 amphibious vehicles, each Z8 can transport 25 troops which means a air drop can drop 100 marines while the LCAC can off load 12 vehicles per sortie

Off the top of my head 42 commando from the British Royal Marines has that kind of amphibious capacity, a very good assault force and that's from a over the horizon attack

For close in support I can easily envisage 48 vehicles in the well deck (4 columns of 12 units) and the vehicle comparment in the back should easily hold another 16 so we have ~60 amphibious vehicles which can be sent ashore for close support once beech head is secured, Enough mechanised equipment to equip a battalion, these numbers are just great!

Now we have 3 LPD meaning 2 can be used at any one time so multiply up the above numbers by 2 and that's a serious force to break through the toughest enemy defences which can contain the element of suprise and the ability to launch a flanking manoeuvre or a behind enemy line drop

More capability means more options means more flexibility, that is what wins wars, it's very good to see the full capability of the Type 071 in this context

But so far China has not fully equipped Type 071 to that extent but it does have the capacity to do so, eventually there might come a time when China does load up the LPD but as of now we have only seen a small glimpse of what Type 071 can do

Equipping it with 1 LCAC and 2 Z8 is really not utilising the LPD and does not do it justice but I'm sure as time goes on we will see these LPD brought to full strength gradually

My friend, in those pictures, you see so many high speed ZBD-05's, you don't need to depend on LCAC's.

 

[kwaigonegin]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

My friend, in those pictures, you see so many high speed ZBD-05's, you don't need to depend on LCAC's.

slightly off topic but can the 05s fire their main weapon while swimming? I'm not sure if the gun gyro stabilization works on it the same way even when the entire tank is bobbing up and down on water.

 

[patriota]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

My friend, in those pictures, you see so many high speed ZBD-05's, you don't need to depend on LCAC's.

ZBD-05 is faster than a LCAC? Or equal?

LCAC is for OTH assaults or operations ... and to transport element that can not swimming for itself, like MBTs and lights vehicles, booggies for SOFs and similar.

LCAC and Z-8 can put a number of marines and the ships still sproaching to the coast, and then ZBD-05.

And I put a mínimum of 1 Z-9 with gun/rocket pods, providing some air protection to Z-8s.

Two waves OTH, and then the swimming vehicles (ot so many, if we considere the small hangar).

And one more question ... why put in risk the 071s approaching the coast? OTH assault, one, two or three waves, and then put the LSTs.

If they can use the 3 071 at the same time, there are 6 Z-8s (25 marines x 6 = 150 marines) and 3 Z-9 (I think that 6 Z-9), and 12 LCAC, capables of put in the beach in one wave a mínimum of 4 MBTs (1 x LCAC), 12 APCs/IFVs ( 2 x LCAC, coservative numbers) and 8-10 booggies and light vehicles.

Per wave.

Second wave can put 8 MBTs and the rest of LCACs can transport IFVs, puching inside.

You can launch 2-3 waves OTH, while your LSTs aproaching the beaches.

With LHDs all job is easier, you can put more and more helos in operations.


Something like these, but with 6 Z-8s and 12 LCACs

 

[A.Man]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

ZBD-05 is faster than a LCAC? Or equal?

LCAC is for OTH assaults or operations ... and to transport element that can not swimming for itself, like MBTs and lights vehicles, booggies for SOFs and similar.

LCAC and Z-8 can put a number of marines and the ships still sproaching to the coast, and then ZBD-05.

And I put a mínimum of 1 Z-9 with gun/rocket pods, providing some air protection to Z-8s.

Two waves OTH, and then the swimming vehicles (ot so many, if we considere the small hangar).

And one more question ... why put in risk the 071s approaching the coast? OTH assault, one, two or three waves, and then put the LSTs.

If they can use the 3 071 at the same time, there are 6 Z-8s (25 marines x 6 = 150 marines) and 3 Z-9 (I think that 6 Z-9), and 12 LCAC, capables of put in the beach in one wave a mínimum of 4 MBTs (1 x LCAC), 12 APCs/IFVs ( 2 x LCAC, coservative numbers) and 8-10 booggies and light vehicles.

Per wave.

Second wave can put 8 MBTs and the rest of LCACs can transport IFVs, puching inside.

You can launch 2-3 waves OTH, while your LSTs aproaching the beaches.

With LHDs all job is easier, you can put more and more helos in operations.

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Something like these, but with 6 Z-8s and 12 LCACs

3 071's can send 90 plus ZDB-05's with 630 fully armed soldiers to the beach in the first wave.

LCAC (Chinese 3220/3221) up to 49 KMPH. ZDB-05 24 KMPH, but it can provide fire covers, though you still can have 6 Z-8's.

 

[Lion]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

3 071's can send 90 plus ZDB-05's with 630 fully armed soldiers to the beach in the first wave.

LCAC (Chinese 3220/3221) up to 49 KMPH. ZDB-05 24 KMPH, but it can provide fire covers, though you still can have 6 Z-8's.

Precisely, you send 4 LCAC, if unlucky, just a few hellfire missile and will sink them all. While 30 ZBD-05 just from one 071 charging at 24knots at you in zig zag formation to evade shooting and missile will be difficult to handle.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Precisely, you send 4 LCAC, if unlucky, just a few hellfire missile and will sink them all. While 30 ZBD-05 just from one 071 charging at 24knots at you in zig zag formation to evade shooting and missile will be difficult to handle.

Well you kind of missed the whole point of LCAC, they are to be seen to contain the element of suprise which is why USN has been using them for decades, They are fast, quite, have a long range, can lift a heavy load and get travel on sea and on land