055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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Gloire_bb

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However what if a ballistic missile is on average 10 times as expensive compared to a cruise missile? Therefore the budget for ballistic missiles would be equal to that for cruise missiles.
Oh, they are indeed quite expensive (as all modern ballistic missiles tend to be - nature of their solid fuel engines).

But the problem here is more about what they are - expensive, mainland-based precision, medium/long range instrument reliant on 100% external track.

Basically, when there where they will be able to get those easy tracks - enemy probably won't operate vulnerable units at all. And will risk going in only on his own terms - either knowing this kill chain can be disturbed enough, or it is already permanently degraded.

And here we come for positional fight at the outer rim of this capacity, which, in turn, will decide who'll actually degrade whom. This fight will be decided by more agile, local means of attack, agile both in strategic mobility and their lesser dependence on a huge system working exactly right.
Should it be lost - ASBMs won't be able to reverse the situation, as those juicy pinpoint real-time tracks probably won't be available.
Should it be won, and robust ISR will be moved further out (or perhaps opponent will lose his capability to contest it globally) - forward-deployed ASBM units will set in stone something that has happened already.

p.s. above-written should not be understood as "ASBMs won't contribute". They will, like hell they will. But brunt of asuw job won't likely be done by them (opponent isn't dumb and is well aware of them), and brunt of their own input won't be asuw.
 

ashnole

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However what if a ballistic missile is on average 10 times as expensive compared to a cruise missile?
That is ACTUALLY the case in real life. A Kalibr LACM, for example, costs around 50 million roubles while even an SRBM like the 9M723 Iskander costs around 400 million roubles! An MRBM like DF-26 would *easily* cost 3-4 times what an Iskander would cost!

Ballistic missiles are CRAZY EXPENSIVE. Posters here who think China can spam-produce tens of thousands of ballistic missiles to rain massive salvos of hundreds of ballistic missiles at a time on the USN and allied fleet as well as their associated infra aren't even aware of this reality! Just because China is an industrial manufacturing supergiant doesn't mean it can defy economic reality of missile manufacturing and the difficulties + time-required + caution-required for casting solid-rocket motors!
 

vincent

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That is ACTUALLY the case in real life. A Kalibr LACM, for example, costs around 50 million roubles while even an SRBM like the 9M723 Iskander costs around 400 million roubles! An MRBM like DF-26 would *easily* cost 3-4 times what an Iskander would cost!

Ballistic missiles are CRAZY EXPENSIVE. Posters here who think China can spam-produce tens of thousands of ballistic missiles to rain massive salvos of hundreds of ballistic missiles at a time on the USN and allied fleet as well as their associated infra aren't even aware of this reality! Just because China is an industrial manufacturing supergiant doesn't mean it can defy economic reality of missile manufacturing and the difficulties + time-required + caution-required for casting solid-rocket motors!
Chinese ballistic missiles are much much cheaper because of automation
 

ashnole

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Chinese ballistic missiles are much much cheaper because of automation
How much cheaper could industrial robots (assuming what you say is true) cast the solid rocket motors used in Chinese BMs? The 1:8/1:10 price ratio of a subsonic CM to a BM ranged <1500 km, how much lower can industrial robots get it to? I cannot believe they can take it any lower than 1:6!
 

vincent

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How much cheaper could industrial robots (assuming what you say is true) cast the solid rocket motors used in Chinese BMs? The 1:8/1:10 price ratio of a subsonic CM to a BM ranged <1500 km, how much lower can industrial robots get it to? I cannot believe they can take it any lower than 1:6!

From what I heard from Chinese podcasts, solid fuel rocket’s cost consisted mostly of the manual insertion of the fuel blocks and careful carving of them. If an automated machine can fill up a rocket like a sausage and carved the burn channel as well, the cost comes down considerably.
 

latenlazy

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How much cheaper could industrial robots (assuming what you say is true) cast the solid rocket motors used in Chinese BMs? The 1:8/1:10 price ratio of a subsonic CM to a BM ranged <1500 km, how much lower can industrial robots get it to? I cannot believe they can take it any lower than 1:6!
Everything Russia makes is more expensive than what China makes on a per unit basis because Russia’s economy can’t support the economies of scale and industrial upgrading needed to drive costs down. You can’t just transplants costs for missiles from one country to another. For example, Chinese warships of equivalent or better capability costs far less than their US and Russian counterparts. In the case of both missiles and warships, one of the biggest cost differences between China and Russia is going to be the electronics systems that define the missile’s attack capabilities.
 
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