055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[weig2000]

Further ASM missile projects? We already have ASBM/HGV/HCM, what else is left? Stealth ASM?

In the slide by Rear Admiral Zhao Dengping that I posted a few pages back, the third bullet of the (ship-borne) anti-ship (and anti-surface too) missile is the so-called loitering and retargetable cruise missile. I think it's similar to the concept of US LRASM, that is, subsonic, stealth, loitering and smart.

 

[Strangelove]

Anshan and Wuxi, with 052D Baotou.

 

[Hyper]

Shilao, Yankee and Ayi talked about the new missile in

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, in very cryptic terms (starting at about 55 minutes in). I have trouble following so feel free to add or correct the below if you have better understanding of what they discussed:

1. they are aware of three different ASM in development for UVLS - double conical MaRV ASBM, HGV waverider ASBM and air breathing HCM
2. the characteristics of cold launch + lack of rear fairing matches what they've seen of images for one of the three types, however the shape does not closely match what was expected, so it's not safe to rule out that it could be the other two
3. one of the three type is technically an upgrade on the other, I imagine they meant the HGV waverider ASBM is an upgrade to MaRV ASBM, "higher on the tech tree" was the term they used. However they also agree that by the time they are aware of such a project all the show stopper technical huddles would have been worked out long ago and since they know of three then three are probably concurrent projects
4. although the analogy of "tech tree" was used, they want to emphases that you should not think of these three as linear progression that goes A -> B - > C, it's not like once you have B you retire all the A in service. Rather all three might enter service at once and even be loaded onto a single ship, so that without knowing the opposition's exact ABM capabilities you launch all three types at the same time and present three different attack profiles, making interception even harder
5. they seem to be hinting that none of these three are called YJ-21, or alternatively all of them are called YJ-21 with different flavors. Beyond these three there are further missile projects for UVLS and if you include those possibilities then this thing may be any of the 4-5 different projects going on

They also joked that this must be the happiest day for Sutton because he's been saying 055 launched ASBM is coming since 2020 and now he's vindicated.

There may be a HCM and hgv project but they will not show such a video. This is most likely a Marv asbm.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Shilao, Yankee and Ayi talked about the new missile in

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, in very cryptic terms (starting at about 55 minutes in). I have trouble following so feel free to add or correct the below if you have better understanding of what they discussed:

1. they are aware of three different ASM in development for UVLS - double conical MaRV ASBM, HGV waverider ASBM and air breathing HCM
2. the characteristics of cold launch + lack of rear fairing matches what they've seen of images for one of the three types, however the shape does not closely match what was expected, so it's not safe to rule out that it could be the other two
3. one of the three type is technically an upgrade on the other, I imagine they meant the HGV waverider ASBM is an upgrade to MaRV ASBM, "higher on the tech tree" was the term they used. However they also agree that by the time they are aware of such a project all the show stopper technical huddles would have been worked out long ago and since they know of three then three are probably concurrent projects
4. although the analogy of "tech tree" was used, they want to emphases that you should not think of these three as linear progression that goes A -> B - > C, it's not like once you have B you retire all the A in service. Rather all three might enter service at once and even be loaded onto a single ship, so that without knowing the opposition's exact ABM capabilities you launch all three types at the same time and present three different attack profiles, making interception even harder
5. they seem to be hinting that none of these three are called YJ-21, or alternatively all of them are called YJ-21 with different flavors. Beyond these three there are further missile projects for UVLS and if you include those possibilities then this thing may be any of the 4-5 different projects going on

They also joked that this must be the happiest day for Sutton because he's been saying 055 launched ASBM is coming since 2020 and now he's vindicated.

They know there are people from across the Pacific listening in and don't want their show banned.

 

[ougoah]

Putting all these three types onto ships - HGV, HCM, and ASBM, is really going to extend that A2AD field. Previously these weapons were only land based.

PLAN is and has to be anti air and sub focused but it still needs to be a part of that sea based A2AD and only yj-12 and yj-18 even in huge numbers jist doesn't cut it due to still relatively limited range compared to USN carrier ops ranges. If PLAN can counter the USN carrier wing well enough to at least slow down attacks and defend major assets, being able to launch offensive weapons against carriers is going to be a huge boost to the land and air based effort.

I think the order of weapons would be aiming to let the more conventional weapons coincide or just preceded the high tier weapons - ASBM, anti ship HGV, and anti ship HCM. This still requires some contesting the air and defending against USN fighters launching weapons. In order to make those two tiered attacks coincide even more effectively, PLAN actually has to venture closer to erode cbg's own A2AD to at least the range of yj-18... Which is pretty far already.

 

[by78]

Two 055s being replenished at sea at the same time, a very rare sight:

A few more screen captures:

 

[escobar]

Z-20J/F

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517505928597508096

 

[ashnole]

The 25-inch X 25-inch cells of the Mk41 VLS used on the Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers and the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers support missiles of upto 22-inches in diameter while the 28-inch X 28-inch cells of the Mk57 PVLS used on the Zumwalt-class guided-missile destroyers support missiles of upto 25-inches in diameter.

The Chinese UVLS cells are 33.4-inch X 33.4-inch. What is the maximum diameter missile can these cells support?

 

[Deino]

Z-20J/F

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517505928597508096

All but the final seconds are GCs only

 

[Zichan]

Z-20J/F

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517505928597508096

Looks obviously fake from frame 1.