055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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The Observer

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Type 517 isnt exactly 'modern'.
The increased size of main S band quad faces on type 055 over type 052d may be enough to emulate the long range detection capabilities of 517.
Type 055 doesnt have a secondary long range radar.

I do know Type 517 isn't exactly modern. What I'm talking about when I used it as an example is the rotating AESA radar i.e. Thales S1850M/ Smart-L used on many European DDs. The arrangement of European DDs looks to be most similar to PLAN's preference, so I'm wondering if PLAN would request a Chinese version of Smart-L and put it on Type 055 along with Type 052D when they're inevitably modernized.

BTW thanks for clarifying.
 

by78

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More image updates from shipyards.

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Tam

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I do know Type 517 isn't exactly modern. What I'm talking about when I used it as an example is the rotating AESA radar i.e. Thales S1850M/ Smart-L used on many European DDs. The arrangement of European DDs looks to be most similar to PLAN's preference, so I'm wondering if PLAN would request a Chinese version of Smart-L and put it on Type 055 along with Type 052D when they're inevitably modernized.

BTW thanks for clarifying.

Its a good question. I remember there was a coffee book published only in China, showing the evolution of destroyer design from the beginning towards the 055. The cover had a ship design that had the "Wuhan" chinese lantern array, with the back having SMART-L like array. I also remember there was export proposals of the 052C or 052D that instead of the 517, used a SMART-L looking like array.

The resemblance towards SMART-L is superficial, because the array is large, dark, rectangular and rotates. That's because the Type 120 and Type 305A, 305B radars used with the land based HQ-9 complex all look like that too, and this array can be a navalized version of such. These ships of course, use the HQ-9.

For whatever good reason and it must be good, the PLAN decided to omit this. I would think that internal 055 design concepts may have included such a radar, just like so many of these fan concepts also embodied them for the same reason of using an L-band radar, which has its range advantage over S-band, and better resolution characteristics over VHF/UHF radar like Type 517, or why the PLA is using the Type 120 in the first place.

So there must be a good reason. In my opinion, what the 055 has on its 346B must be pretty good to finally and completely omit this. On the 052DL, the 346A is not good enough so they have to upgrade the Type 517M instead --- which by the way, looked like the Type 965 radar used by the British in the eighties. (see HMS Sheffield and Type 42 destroyers.)
 

AndrewS

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It looks like they need to crank up the speed of construction of up to 90 DDGs, due to the recent development of world politics and economics.

You do realise that there has already been a large acceleration in DDG construction over the past 2 years?

Starting 2012, China launched a steady average of 3 DDGs per year, which matches the US rate.

Then in 2018, we saw this double to 6 DDGs launched.
Then in 2019, we saw this increase further to 10 DDGs launches.

That already looks very much like an unsustainable (emergency?) arms buildup to me.
 

Tyler

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How many DDGs are they going to launch in 2020 and over the next few years?
The situation has been changing rapidly over the past couple of months and even the past few days.
They need all the extra power to maintain sovereignty over its territories and to keep the adversary and its allies in check.
 

by78

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How many DDGs are they going to launch in 2020 and over the next few years?
The situation has been changing rapidly over the past couple of months and even the past few days.
They need all the extra power to maintain sovereignty over its territories and to keep the adversary and its allies in check.

Hey fanboi, save your drama for your mama.
 
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