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055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread
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Somewhat off-topic, but in response to the comment regarding the Kirov-class cruisers...
There is a distinct possibility that we might see larger surface combatants become commonplace in the future. This isn't a topic that should be dismissed as a mere joke.
The Type 055's large dimensions, for instance, are necessitated by the large VLS cells compared to US systems, as well as needing to cram 112 of those onto a single ship. Another reason for its impressive size is that it needs to generate a metric ass-ton of energy, enough for IEP and railguns in future variants. Last-generation destroyers didn't need to be as big, because they didn't need huge powerplants for railguns, neither did they need to fit a lot of of large VLS modules.
So what happens when navies decide that 85 cm VLS cells aren't enough? Or when 60-80 MW of installed power isn't enough?
As an avid reader of naval history, I'm already seeing parallels to the dreadnought race of the early 20th century. Before WWI, the 12" gun was deemed sufficient and saw common use. It didn't take long before the Orion-class set the new standard to 13.5" guns, and soon after that, the famous Queen Elizabeth-class with their 15" rifles. Yet, not 6 years after the first was commissioned, the Japanese put the first 16.1"-gunned Nagato into service, and other navies scrambled to play catch-up.
Considering the above, the introduction of the Type 055 as the new 'standard' of destroyer in the Chinese Navy should be setting off alarm bells for rival naval powers. It can fire more missiles, and bigger missiles, with longer range and greater destructive power, than any other conventional destroyer in service, with a sensor suite that isn't necessarily top-notch but still highly capable -- and China is building 6-8 of these warships in just the first batch.
Logic dictates that as time goes on, navies will want to cram bigger and bigger missiles, and more of them, onto their surface combatants. We may not see anything like the Kirov in the next 10-15 years, but after that? It's not far-fetched at all to suggest that there might come a day, when navies want to go back to Soviet doctrine, and fit their cruisers with the future equivalent of the P-700. In other words, the Type 055 could very well be the trigger for a 21st century destroyer race.
There is a distinct possibility that we might see larger surface combatants become commonplace in the future. This isn't a topic that should be dismissed as a mere joke.
The Type 055's large dimensions, for instance, are necessitated by the large VLS cells compared to US systems, as well as needing to cram 112 of those onto a single ship. Another reason for its impressive size is that it needs to generate a metric ass-ton of energy, enough for IEP and railguns in future variants. Last-generation destroyers didn't need to be as big, because they didn't need huge powerplants for railguns, neither did they need to fit a lot of of large VLS modules.
So what happens when navies decide that 85 cm VLS cells aren't enough? Or when 60-80 MW of installed power isn't enough?
As an avid reader of naval history, I'm already seeing parallels to the dreadnought race of the early 20th century. Before WWI, the 12" gun was deemed sufficient and saw common use. It didn't take long before the Orion-class set the new standard to 13.5" guns, and soon after that, the famous Queen Elizabeth-class with their 15" rifles. Yet, not 6 years after the first was commissioned, the Japanese put the first 16.1"-gunned Nagato into service, and other navies scrambled to play catch-up.
Considering the above, the introduction of the Type 055 as the new 'standard' of destroyer in the Chinese Navy should be setting off alarm bells for rival naval powers. It can fire more missiles, and bigger missiles, with longer range and greater destructive power, than any other conventional destroyer in service, with a sensor suite that isn't necessarily top-notch but still highly capable -- and China is building 6-8 of these warships in just the first batch.
Logic dictates that as time goes on, navies will want to cram bigger and bigger missiles, and more of them, onto their surface combatants. We may not see anything like the Kirov in the next 10-15 years, but after that? It's not far-fetched at all to suggest that there might come a day, when navies want to go back to Soviet doctrine, and fit their cruisers with the future equivalent of the P-700. In other words, the Type 055 could very well be the trigger for a 21st century destroyer race.
Jura The idiot
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or even Oct 24, 2017
I noticed late in the evening yesterday, before I fell asleep, I had been thinking about the blockbuster in bottom-right which might fit something like a Tochka
(minus the wings LOL) so I had been thinking about dozen of AShBMs launched in the middle of Pacific which would be the ultimate plunging fire, like one century after the US and Japanese Navies came out with the requirement for plunging fire in the middle of Pacific
plus one thing here:
at present Western Navies arm their warship as little as possible, their spin doctors call it concept
Jura The idiot
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now noticed the tweet
Voit-on 4 x Type 052D et 3 x Type 055 dans cette photo montrant une partie du chantier naval de Dalian ? Crédit : 威猛
Translated from French by
Do you see 4 x Type 052D and 3 x type 055 in this photo showing a part of the Dalian shipyard? Credit: 威猛
Voit-on 4 x Type 052D et 3 x Type 055 dans cette photo montrant une partie du chantier naval de Dalian ? Crédit : 威猛
Translated from French by
Do you see 4 x Type 052D and 3 x type 055 in this photo showing a part of the Dalian shipyard? Credit: 威猛
The best anti-ship weapons will continue to be missiles shot from aircrafts. They will always have more range than either surfarce-to-surface missiles or railguns in the foreseeable future. Majority of VLS cells on 055 will be mounted with AA missiles anyway.
There has been a surface combatant arms race, and even a destroyer arms race going on in the Western Pacific for quite a few years.
From the days of the PLAN acquiring the Sovs and the Japanese building the Kongo and then the Atago, and the Koreans building their KDX III Se Jong destroyers, clear through the Chinese Type 052D and now the Type 055 and the Australian Hobarts and the Japanese adding more Atagos and the Akizuki and the Koreans adding more Se Jongss...not to mention the US building SO MANY Burkes. At the same time, they have all aloso beeen building fiarly well armed FFGs as well.
Yes, that race is just continuing and I believe will now move into the larger, comand escort vessels as well even more than they already had.
In fact, I picked that last silouette and put it in either the post you quoted or the net one.
I believe the silouette shoing the two with actual pictures (which you also show in your post) is the best silouetts pic so far, expecially showing the overall size of the Type 055 next to the Type 052D which itself is a very decently sized destroyer.
Jura The idiot
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Jeff your post starts with
Jura said:
↑In other words, the Type 055 could very well be the trigger for a 21st century destroyer race.
this is from
#5552 Higgle, Yesterday at 12:38 PM
though ... it's an interesting thought, of course
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should be credited (definitely not me LOL)
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Lots of weapons will be going around Asia in the next few decades, but not a lot of mutual understanding to go with it. All in all that is a pretty volatile mix. But let's hope that it stay just volatile.
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