055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[AndrewS]

I think you are in too many scenarios

We're asking why the cells are the size they are.

Hence we have to look at the possible scenarios today and in the future.

 

[Jura The idiot]

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As has already been pointed out, USN in fact tried to go with a new, larger VLS design in the form of the Mk. 57

yeah, I've heard it's a lemon:
Mk57 VLS

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on Zumwalt. ...

and she's a lemon In commission: 15 October 2016

 

[Lethe]

Well Mk. 57 wouldn't be a lemon if they were building 32 Zumwalts with the system as originally planned, followed by CG(X). Instead they're building Burke IIIs and life-extending Ticos.

 

[Richard Santos]

Well Mk. 57 wouldn't be a lemon if they were building 32 Zumwalts with the system as originally planned, followed by CG(X). Instead they're building Burke IIIs and life-extending Ticos.

They would get 32 lemons. Zumwalt relied on an Implausibld vision of early 21st century American technology enjoying continued superiority over everything any hostile,power can muster for the following 30 years. As it were, the technologies in the Zumwalt already exhibited shortcomings against perspective opponents before the first example was even laid down.

 

[mr.bean]

They would get 32 lemons. Zumwalt relied on an Implausibld vision of early 21st century American technology enjoying continued superiority over everything any hostile,power can muster for the following 30 years. As it were, the technologies in the Zumwalt already exhibited shortcomings against perspective opponents before the first example was even laid down.

in movie geek language the Zumwalt promised Star Wars fans another Empire Strikes Back but turned out to be limp dick The Phantom Menace!

 

[kurutoga]

They would get 32 lemons. Zumwalt relied on an Implausibld vision of early 21st century American technology enjoying continued superiority over everything any hostile,power can muster for the following 30 years. As it were, the technologies in the Zumwalt already exhibited shortcomings against perspective opponents before the first example was even laid down.

Yes, Zumwalt is pretty much useless before railgun becomes practical.

 

[Lethe]

They would get 32 lemons. Zumwalt relied on an Implausibld vision of early 21st century American technology enjoying continued superiority over everything any hostile,power can muster for the following 30 years. As it were, the technologies in the Zumwalt already exhibited shortcomings against perspective opponents before the first example was even laid down.

I was only speaking of the VLS. If Zumwalt and CG(X) had proceeded according to plan then Mk. 57 would've become the USN's new standard VLS and over time munitions would've been developed to take advantage of its increased size. With only three ships equipped with Mk. 57 VLS, no such munitions will be developed. Hence, a lemon.

 

[by78]

A very good 055 vs 052D size comparison, courtesy of satellite photos of Dalian shipyard.

 

[Jura The idiot]

I was only speaking of the VLS. If Zumwalt and CG(X) had proceeded according to plan then Mk. 57 would've become the USN's new standard VLS and over time munitions would've been developed to take advantage of its increased size. With only three ships equipped with Mk. 57 VLS, no such munitions will be developed. Hence, a lemon.

I've been watching the Zumwalts only for three years (the project already on a death spiral), but still it was an amaaaaazing story for example:
Nov 7, 2016

Dec 23, 2014

heck,

It has been long noted by critics of the DDG-1000 program that placing all of these ambitious new technologies aboard one tightly integrated platform in one great transformational leap for military mankind has the effect of integrating all of their various technical and programmatic risks as well -- in my view, magnifying the total project risk of the effort well beyond the total risks had the R&D for each system proceeded independently. (Synergistic effects can work against you as well as for you, especially when it comes to managing project risks.)

The 155mm AGS is a gun system which will never see use outside of the DDG-1000 platform; and unless the Zumwalt Class supporters in industry and in the US Northeast are successful in bypassing the Navy and selling more Zumwalts directly to the Congress, there will only be three of these ships, and only six operational AGS gun mounts -- a far cry from the 64 mounts that would have been deployed had 32 Zumwalts been procured instead of three.

As things stand today, the greatest utility the 155mm AGS system has for the US Navy is to provide justification for claiming that the USMC's interim requirements for fire support have been covered.

Once AGS has been declared to have reached IOC, then the Navy leadership will certify that the interim requirements for fire support have been met, and will give no more attention to pursuing further advancements in conventional naval gun technology.

Once that piece of paper has been signed, then it won't matter to the Navy leadership if another 155mm LRLAP round is ever fired again for any purpose whatsoever -- more so if the Zumwalt design as an integrated platform fails to live up to expectations in some major way and the three ships are then quietly set aside to guard their respective piers.

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do you know what percentage of it (and of the article itself) could be true? just asking ... (from the middle of Europe)

and now New Warship’s Big Guns Have No Bullets

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the point is I presume the PLAN is more organized

 

[latenlazy]

A very good 055 vs 052D size comparison, courtesy of satellite photos of Dalian shipyard.

Turns out the beam is between 21 and 22 meters, and the length is about 184 meters. That's a big ship. With those dimensions there's a lot of room for future growth in displacement.