052C/052D Class Destroyers

Andy1974

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It is possible that later 052Ds are retrofitted with CGT30 according to an official interview posted a few days ago
Wow. So this means the gas turbine output goes from 28MW -> 33.5MW, or an extra 5.5MW per shaft, or 11MW in total?

That should have a nice impact on top speed, as well as improved reliability and extra power generation for sensors and weapons.

When do you think this was first introduced? Or, how many ships already have this new turbine?

Do you think the Type 055 also got this upgrade for its second batch?
 

Tomboy

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Wow. So this means the gas turbine output goes from 28MW -> 33.5MW, or an extra 5.5MW per shaft, or 11MW in total?

That should have a nice impact on top speed, as well as improved reliability and extra power generation for sensors and weapons.
Though AFAIK they don't have IEP hence turbines are only for propulsion, I'm pretty sure they have separate turbo-generators. So it isn't as big of an upgrade as people think it is unless they also upgraded the generators.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Wait what's a CGT-28 again?

Basically, from this news report screenshot:

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Though yes, we do have very little solid information available for the CGT-28 for the time being, and unlike the CGT-30, we aren't even sure whether the CGT-28 will be adapted for marine propulsion usage.

Anyways the main speculation on CGT-30 is due to the fact that it is advertised to be able to directly replace GT-25000 without modification to the mounting system etc.

Well, this development would be golden indeed.

However, considering that Baotou was commissioned back in the final days of 2021, yet the article posted by SOYO from several days before mentioned that the new GT work happened only two years ago (i.e. sometime in 2024), it does sound rather odd for them to just swap out the CGT-25s from inside the ship hull (which would necessitate opening the deck and associated structures) and install CGT-30s for such a young DDG.

But then, I suppose the ship designers have already considered such upgrades before or during the construction stages of the ship.
 
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Andy1974

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Though AFAIK they don't have IEP hence turbines are only for propulsion, I'm pretty sure they have separate turbo-generators. So it isn't as big of an upgrade as people think it is unless they also upgraded the generators.
If the Type 052D with CGT-25 can do 30 knots then with CGT-30 it can do 31.85 knots..
The **Type 052D destroyer** achieves a reported maximum speed of **30 knots** using its two QC-280 gas turbines, each rated at **28 MW** (total installed gas turbine power = **56 MW**). This occurs in CODOG mode during high-speed runs, where the gas turbines provide the dominant power for sprint/top speed (the diesels are typically used only for economical cruising and are disengaged at max speed).

Your question asks for the theoretical top speed if those were upgraded/replaced with engines delivering **33.5 MW each** (total **67 MW**), using an exact calculation and holding all other factors constant (hull form, displacement ≈7,500 tons full load, wetted surface, propellers, etc.).

### Exact Calculation Using the Standard Admiralty/Propeller Law Approximation

For displacement hulls like modern destroyers at/near top speed, speed scales with the cube root of delivered power (v ∝ P^{1/3}), because resistance is dominated by wave-making drag in that regime, which rises roughly with the cube of speed.

- Original power per engine: 28 MW
- New power per engine: 33.5 MW
- Power ratio = 33.5 / 28 = **1.19642857**
- Speed ratio = (1.19642857)^{1/3} ≈ **1.061603** (exact cube root)
- New speed = 30 knots × 1.061603 ≈ **31.848 knots**

**Result: ≈ 31.85 knots** (rounded to two decimal places for practical naval reporting).

### Step-by-Step Derivation

1. Power ratio = 33.5 ÷ 28 = 1.1964285714285714
2. Cube root of power ratio = (33.5 / 28)^{1/3}
- First compute 33.5 / 28 = 1.1964285714285714
- Then 1.1964285714285714^{1/3} ≈ 1.061603 (you can verify this with any calculator or Python: `(33.5/28)**(1/3)` ≈ 1.061603)
3. 30 × 1.061603 ≈ 31.84809
4. Rounded: **31.85 knots** (or conservatively 31.8 knots if using fewer decimals).

This is a clean theoretical scaling assuming:
- The same propulsive efficiency (η),
- The same hull resistance curve shape,
- No major changes to propeller design, shafting losses, or sea state limits,
- The extra power can be fully absorbed and converted to thrust without cavitation or other limits being hit first.

In the real world, small upgrades like this often yield close to the predicted gain (a few percent more speed), but actual trials might show slightly less due to increased cavitation margins, gearbox limits, or minor hull/propeller mismatches. Still, **~31.8–31.9 knots** is a reasonable exact physics-based estimate for the hypothetical 2 × 33.5 MW case.
This is so typical of Chinas conservative upgrading, trying out one new piece of kit on an existing type before introducing it in a new type.

With the 054B China has tried new diesel engine, now with the 052D (and coast guard ships?) it has tried new gas turbines.

So for the next generation of ships combining diesel and gas it can have really strong confidence in the power plants. It’s a brilliant upgrade imo.

I think this development justifies increasing Type 052D numbers to 48, or more.
 

AndrewS

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If the Type 052D with CGT-25 can do 30 knots then with CGT-30 it can do 31.85 knots..

With that sort of difference, it doesn't seem worth replacing the existing CGT-25 with a higher rated CGT-30.

There are only 3 aircraft carriers which would needs escorts with speeds of 30+ knots.
If they're building 20 new destroyers every 5 years, this would easily be enough escorts with the higher-rated gas turbines.
 
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