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Tomboy

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This debunked the myth of PLAN lacking navy personnel to match the building rate of new ships.
I don't think this is how the "myth" goes, the original idea was that PLAN's acquisition was partly limited by amount of available personnel and not that personnel training cannot keep up with current production.
 

ismellcopium

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DDG 158 PLANS Suzhou was commissioned in 2025, exact date unknown, but should be between January to April 2025.

DDG 158 took part in this drill that sailed passed the first island chain indicate that availability of experienced sailor is not lacking, and DDG 158's possibility of achieving IOC in 3 or 4 months is astonishing.

This debunked the myth of PLAN lacking navy personnel to match the building rate of new ships.
Here's the rumour, for context:
Yes—like transferring crew from other ships. Addressing this requires more than just a few measures, an overall systematic approach. And part of issue is with the higher-ranking personnel such as ship captains, people who have 10 to 20 years of experience. At a certain point, they just need more time

One example they gave is the 4th Type 075. They suspect that a shortage of personnel is one reason it hasn’t been commissioned yet. They also noted that finding new crew isn’t straightforward, and that transferring experienced crew from other ships, which they think will happen, results in a decrease in combined performance. I.e. if you replace half of a ship’s existing crew with new personnel, the ship doesn’t become 50% as effective, it becomes even less



They specified submarines and the aforementioned 075. Other comments suggest the effect is uneven across platforms, but nothing particularly specific was highlighted



They did mention the USN during WWII, but they noted the difference. While it's true that perhaps the USN had combatants operating at "50% effectiveness", the opponents they faced weren't much better. This is not the case for the PLAN as we are facing the most powerful navy in the world from the get-go.



They pointed out how this was basically impossible to foresee for the higher ranking personnel. Imagine it’s the year 2000: your country is poor, your best ships are those old Russian ones, and you go to your superior and say "we need to retain all these people because in 15 years we’ll undergo one of the largest naval build-ups in human history"



I just want to be clear in case my wording is giving a wrong impression. It's not like this is a massive debuff and the PLAN is 30% less effective or something. But rather, it's something to take very seriously and be kept in mind.

I've always felt that more attention should be given to the human side of the PLA. It's partially rather difficult to observe, and partially quite boring as watching the "people things" isn't as fun as analyzing shiny new hardware. But at the end of the day, a military is still made up of people
 

by78

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Nice screen caps of DDG 166 + the ship's crest.

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by78

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Feel like this is the first time we've visually seen a VTOL drone operating from a PLAN ship in a while, given we know they've been experimenting with them for years now and are yet to seemingly standardize one. Does anyone know which drone this is exactly?

The UAV in question is the CSC-005. It's often seen operating from naval ships. I believe it is a standard fixed wing VTOL drone of the PLAN.
 
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