052C/052D Class Destroyers
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Military has to compete with private industry too with more lucrative offer. And foriegn firms.
Unused and waiting Type 052D there should be 121 Qiqihar. Its going to the 10th, PLAN's "black swan" or "old men" destroyer division that's been the hold outs for Ludas until recently. They only gotten their first modern destroyer last year, 120 Chengdu, and gradually transitioning from the Ludas to the 052D, which is what I would say, a big jump technologically. The division though, should have some 054As. But as you see from 120 Chengdu's recent replenishment exercise with a tanker along with 101 Nanchang, they are starting to get the hang of it. This is probably the first notable exercise I have seen with a modern destroyer with the 10th.
The 10th is being modernized, with 120 and 121 being the only short 052D in the group, and both ships are of the second 052D batch which has Type 1130 and improved electronics. The rest of the 10th's modernization will be based on 052DL. This division is also doing trials on a 052DL that will also fall under their jurisdiction later.
The 10th is being modernized, with 120 and 121 being the only short 052D in the group, and both ships are of the second 052D batch which has Type 1130 and improved electronics. The rest of the 10th's modernization will be based on 052DL. This division is also doing trials on a 052DL that will also fall under their jurisdiction later.
foxmulder_ms
Junior Member
PLAN already has ~45 destroyers operational an increase of this number to ~60 in coming ~10-15 years will not create much of a problem from human resources perspective.
That is true.
But in addition, given a fixed procurement budget and a simulated 60 day campaign, a mixed fleet of 055 + 052 + 057 definitely provides more capability (more missile launches + radars) than a 055 + 057 fleet.
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My minimum estimate remains 3 destroyers per year for an overall fleet of 100.
It's only been 6 months, and this will be a decades long affair.
Plus I've previously pointed out to you that the number of 052 destroyers is already at 30+
So how can you still maintain your endgame of only 24 destroyers?
You need to revise your numbers, because reality has already blown through one of your estimates.
I also recall comments disparaging my imagination.
So I think this is an appropriate time to ask - why haven't you changed your reality in the past 6 months?
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lcloo
Captain
True on human resource, I always find the statement on lack of trained personnel in PLAN amusing. PLAN has 240,000 service persons, and has more than half a dozen naval universities and colleges/academies as well as training ships. It is more attractive for new recruits choosing between army and navy. There are many sailors waiting on shore for years before getting posted on a ship.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
with the navy they can get to travel the world
but Chinese warships never venture out too far
maybe in the future they can deploy further making it a good and attractive career and good way to see the world while getting paid
but Chinese warships never venture out too far
maybe in the future they can deploy further making it a good and attractive career and good way to see the world while getting paid
