00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

[Alfa_Particle]

I have a feeling that any ~90k ton CV, even a clean-sheet design, will still be called "003A" or Fujian's "sister ship" for a while. Gonna be a bit annoying.

Honestly, whatever. As long as it's "genetically" unrelated from the 003 I couldn't care less if it's called "003A." It just needs to be 1) a clean-sheet design similar in tonnage and hull to the CV-67 2) bigger with significantly better deck ergonomics than the Type 003 3) preferably GT-IPS.

Never mind that, for now it should be please be a carrier, please be a carrier.

I'm greedy okay?

 

[mack8]

On another note, when is Liaoning due for replacement? It is true that it was commissioned in 2012, and it was refurbished to new condition, but it's much older than that factually speaking, in 2028 it will be 40 years since launch. So makes one wonder what plans are there for it's replacement, i would think in the 2030s maybe? This of course being factored in the future carrier construction schedule that we're all interested in.

 

[Antares545]

On another note, when is Liaoning due for replacement? It is true that it was commissioned in 2012, and it was refurbished to new condition, but it's much older than that factually speaking, in 2028 it will be 40 years since launch. So makes one wonder what plans are there for it's replacement, i would think in the 2030s maybe? This of course being factored in the future carrier construction schedule that we're all interested in.

i assume they will use it for training for a long while

 

[Blitzo]

On another note, when is Liaoning due for replacement? It is true that it was commissioned in 2012, and it was refurbished to new condition, but it's much older than that factually speaking, in 2028 it will be 40 years since launch. So makes one wonder what plans are there for it's replacement, i would think in the 2030s maybe? This of course being factored in the future carrier construction schedule that we're all interested in.

The hull itself should have been in reltaively good condition; ultimately years since launch is less important than years of actual operation and time at sea in weathered environments.

Whether that means starting from its refurbishment/refit in the late 2000s to 2011, who knows. But at this stage given how much the PLAN is comfortable keeping old ships around for, I think it's premature to think about replacing Liaoning.

I have a feeling that any ~90k ton CV, even a clean-sheet design, will still be called "003A" or Fujian's "sister ship" for a while. Gonna be a bit annoying.

Considering it would take quite a while for a clean sheet design CV to be verified as such (rather than a Fujian derivative/mod), imo that's not fully unreasonable.
But we are also getting to a point where "00X" numbers are going to get tricky with the potential for dual yard construction, meaning which one is chronologically "ahead" of the other is going to be difficult to verify without the grapevine telling us.

 

[nimitz123]

On another note, when is Liaoning due for replacement? It is true that it was commissioned in 2012, and it was refurbished to new condition, but it's much older than that factually speaking, in 2028 it will be 40 years since launch. So makes one wonder what plans are there for it's replacement, i would think in the 2030s maybe? This of course being factored in the future carrier construction schedule that we're all interested in.

This is better asked in the Liaoning thread to not drift away this key thread but I think in 2012, it has a midlife overhaul so it will operate for another 30-35 years, plenty long time for the 6-carriers plan

 

[kafkahibino]

I have a feeling that any ~90k ton CV, even a clean-sheet design, will still be called "003A" or Fujian's "sister ship" for a while. Gonna be a bit annoying.

not if they add a 4th catapult

 

[Aspide]

Given the sizes of the reactor containment box module spotted at the site, @rational314159 and @horobeyo on Twitter suggested that this ship (which is very likely to be a CVN, if people still wants to be very conservative) would be powered by only two nuclear reactors, i.e. similar to the Nimitzs and Fords.

These boxes will become containment modules when something like this is loaded into them.

 

[GiantPanda]

so CVN confirmed?

Pretty much. There's really no need for separate square boxes in a ship's structure other than the containment units for the reactors.

 

[GiantPanda]

i just dont think china should be building sub 100k ton carriers in the future. 6th gen fighters will be far bigger than current ones and as such the carriers should be larger to accommodate them

The EM catapult allows you to put up aircraft in short runways. UAVs ultimately also means a trend towards smaller fighting aircraft without the need for pilots or human support systems.

I think you will see some 100K+ super carriers to accommodate the J-XDS and the current fifth and fourth gens.

But the propagation of the EM catapult in the PLAN will mean ships smaller than fleet carriers will be able to launch fixed-wing fighting aircraft.

The Type 076 represents the other end of the carrier spectrum.

 

[HailingTX20]

Pretty much. There's really no need for separate square boxes in a ship's structure other than the containment units for the reactors.

And yet, it will not stop some people from talking about a nuclear icebreaker or even a nuclear cargo ship.

Yes, those shots confirm it, but the containment module was present right next to the dry dock for almost half a year and yet people tried to claim that even if it's a carrier it might not be nuclear.

Being cautious is one thing, but completely ignoring the facts on the ground is something completely different.