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Even with external weapons a stealthy airframe is still harder to spot at longer ranges. F22 And F35 both have external drop tanks and provisions for external weapons for some missions. The KFX version seen supposedly had some internal bay options, likely limited like the F35 to a couple air to air missiles for self defense.

It would be interesting to know what RCS size can have a F-35 with 2 AIM-9 externaly ? and if he can again to be considered stealth..

With more big by example FTs or bombs sure it is not.

An aircraft is considered stealth if he have a RCS inferior to m2 ?
 

Jeff Head

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Even with external weapons a stealthy airframe is still harder to spot at longer ranges. F22 And F35 both have external drop tanks and provisions for external weapons for some missions. The KFX version seen supposedly had some internal bay options, likely limited like the F35 to a couple air to air missiles for self defense.
The F-35 can carry up to six air to air missiles in its internal bay, or a mix of missiles and A2G bombs.

For example, here's a mix of four AMRAAMS and two large bombs.

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But, in an all A2A it can carry up to six, mixing IR and Radar weapons (Sidewinders and AMRAAMS) or others.

The F-22 can carry eight, but that's because it has the two side bays, each of which can carry an additional sidewinder missile, while the internal bay underneath can carry six weapons like fht F-35.
 
U.S. to deploy 6 Raptor stealth fighters to Korea next month
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The United States is planning to send six F-22 Raptor stealth fighter jets to a joint air force exercise in South Korea next month in what is believed to be U.S. action to put maximum pressure on North Korea, military officials here said on Thursday.

"Six F-22 fighters from the U.S. Air Force are scheduled to join the joint South Korea-U.S. air force exercise Vigilant Ace from Dec. 4-8," the officials said.

The fighters will fly to the Korean Peninsula from Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan and stay at an air base in South Korea throughout the exercise, according to officials. Up to four F-35A Lightning stealth fighters are also likely to join the deployment, they said.

The U.S. fleet will reportedly engage in enemy infiltration and precision strike drills with South Korean Air Force fighter jets during the exercise.

It would mark the first time the U.S. has deployed six Raptors to Korea at once and is sure to put pressure on North Korea with the overwhelming military force by the allies.

The Raptor, an air superiority fighter, is capable of flying to key enemy facilities and launching precision attacks under the radar. Its maximum speed is about Mach 2.5

The planned deployment comes as the U.S. steps up the deployment of strategic assets to South Korea in a show of force aimed at pressuring North Korea to the maximum level. Early this month, three U.S. nuclear-powered aircraft carriers were deployed to the East Sea after powerful American fighter jets flew near North Korea in the previous months.

South Korea and the U.S. are escalating pressure, both economic and military, on North Korea in efforts to bring the country back to the table to negotiate its illegal development of nuclear weapons.

The move is also sure to lead to an angry reaction from North Korea and threats to retaliate as similar operations have done in the past.
this is probably the original report related to what I posted in
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noticed
F-22 and F-35 stealth jets will put on a massive show of force right off North Korea's borders to cap off a heated 2017
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  • The US and South Korea have one last military exercise planned in 2017, and it's likely to put the fear into North Korea.
  • The US will send F-22 and F-35 stealth jets, which North Korea cannot detect or track.
  • North Korea considers US and South Korean drills as practice for invading their country, and stealth jets are exactly what the US would use to kick off an invasion.
 
Nov 25, 2017
U.S. to deploy 6 Raptor stealth fighters to Korea next month
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this is probably the original report related to what I posted in
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and Stealth jets, other aircraft fly in drills
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Hundreds of aircraft including two dozen stealth jets began training Monday as the United States and South Korea launched a massive combined air force exercise. The war games come a week after North Korea test-fired its most powerful missile ever, an ICBM that may be able to target the eastern seaboard of the United States.

The five-day drill, which is called Vigilant Ace, is meant to improve the allies’ wartime capabilities and preparedness, South Korea’s defense ministry said.

The U.S. Seventh Air Force sent major strategic military assets, including an unusually large number of the latest generations of stealth fighter jets, for the annual training in the Korean Peninsula. They include six F-22 and 18 F-35 stealth fighter jets. About 12,000 U.S. military personnel are participating. In total, 230 aircraft will be flying at eight U.S. and South Korean military installations in the South.

An official at the South Korean Defense Ministry, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of office rules, corrected his earlier statement that the exercise was the biggest ever.

Some local media report that B-1B bombers will also join aerial drills, but officials did not confirm their participation.

The training, held each year in late fall, is not in response to any incident or provocation, the Seventh Air Force said in a statement.

North Korea’s state media said the drill pushes the Korean Peninsula “to the brink of nuclear war.” Such language is typical in North Korean propaganda because the country claims U.S.-South Korean drills are preparation for invasion.

Still, always bad tensions are at a particularly dangerous point as North Korea edges toward its goal of a viable arsenal of nuclear-tipped long-range missiles, and as President Donald Trump ramps up his rhetoric toward the North, threatening, for instance, to unleash “fire and fury” against the country.

Pyongyang will “seriously consider” countermeasures against the drill, and the U.S. and South Korea will “pay dearly for their provocations,” the Korean Central News Agency said on Sunday before the start of the exercises.

While many South Koreans typically ignore North Korea’s rhetoric, some senior American officials have expressed worry following the ICBM test, North Korea’s third.

On Sunday, Lindsey Graham, a Republican U.S. senator from the state of South Carolina, said he believes that it’s time for U.S. military families in South Korea to leave the country because conflict with North Korea is getting close. The U.S. government has not announced a formal decision to evacuate U.S. citizens from South Korea, and there were no such signs in the diplomatic community in Seoul. An evacuation of dependents by Seoul’s closest ally and major military defender could prompt a panicked reaction by other countries, and among South Koreans.

In addition to American diplomats and other embassy workers, about 28,500 U.S. troops operate in South Korea, and many come to their posts with their families, who often live on huge, well-guarded military bases.

Also on Sunday, the White House national security adviser said that Trump will take care of North Korean threats by “doing more ourselves.”

“The priorities that the president’s given us to move as quickly as we can to resolve this crisis with North Korea,” General H.R. McMaster told Fox News in an interview.

“If necessary, the president and the United States will have to take care of it, because he has said he’s not going to allow this murderous, rogue regime to threaten the United States.”

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg warned Monday that war on the Korean Peninsula “would be catastrophic and it would have global consequences.”

He said the 29-country military alliance “is strong, and united, and NATO is able to respond to any attack, including ballistic and nuclear attacks.”

Stoltenberg added that NATO “will continue to put maximum pressure on North Korea. We will continue to deliver credible deterrence and ... work with our partners in the region.”
 
Yesterday at 9:43 PM
Nov 25, 2017

and Stealth jets, other aircraft fly in drills
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related:
US, Allies 'Blitz' Korea with Massive Air Power Display
The U.S. sent its most advanced stealth fighters as part of a massive contingent of air power to the Pacific for a war game this week that may be more about sending a message to North Korea than training with allies.

While the jets --
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-- have flown in joint exercises before, their addition to the lineup for the Air Force's week-long Vigilant Ace 18 could be seen as changing the play.

Breaking down the numbers: a massive force totaling 230 aircraft is participating in the U.S.-led drills with South Korean allies at
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to focus on interoperability, security and combat airpower, the Air Force said.

That includes two dozen stealth fighters, including
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vertical takeoff versions in the Pacific. The aircraft will fly alongside
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,
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, F-18 Hornets,
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and
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, and Republic of Korea F-15K Slam Eagles and F-4 Phantom IIs, according to the service.

F-22s were last in the Pacific in February
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at Royal Australian Air Force Base Tindal.

Raptors last
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to Osan as a direct response to North Korea in February 2016 in
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alongside South Korean F-15K Slam Eagles and U.S. F-16s.

A dozen F-35s
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to
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, Japan, as part of the first-ever F-35A theater security package, or TSP, which are forward-deployed aircraft units that conduct missions to reassure partner and ally forces and to maintain security and stability across a region.

The
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earlier this year stationed a squadron of F-35Bs at
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in Japan.

"In the event we need to help defend our 51 million Korean allies, I need to be sure the 51st Fighter Wing is synchronized with the combined-joint force," Col. William D. Betts, 51st FW commander, said in a release.

"Vigilant Ace is an opportunity for us to do just that: Focus on getting smarter, faster and more capable than we were yesterday while we generate combat airpower and strengthen the alliance," he added.

The timing of the exercise, previously called Beverly Bulldog, is unique. While the event is now in its ninth year and occurs
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, North Korea last week
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intercontinental ballistic missile to date -- the Hwasong 15 -- in a test that reportedly marked the highest and longest duration flight yet of any North Korean ballistic missile.

While the size of jet force is significant, "F-22s and F-35s have exercised together before," noted at least one defense analyst in Washington, D.C.

There are some elements of training with allies and coordinating with fourth-generation aircraft, but mostly this is about messaging, the source told
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on background.

"And I would add: ramping up pressure," the analyst said. "In a way, that's sending a message, but showing North Korea that we are serious and could initiate operations at a time of our choosing creates a new element their leadership has to consider when deciding on further tests or other possibly provocative actions."

The analyst added, "It's like in a football game when the defense shows the blitz and forces the opposing quarterback to reconsider his play calling."

The "messaging" strategy may go hand-in-hand with diplomacy.

"I believe in a credible threat of force, so I'm for the military exercises, for THAAD [Terminal High Altitude Area Defense], for missile defense, for our three ships and nuclear submarine cruising around," Wendy Sherman, the State Department's former undersecretary of state for political affairs and former North Korea policy coordinator, said during
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"But none of that matters if that's all there is," she said. "All that does is escalate the situation, but if it is a credible threat of force in service of diplomacy, then you've got a strategy that's using all of the tools at our disposal to get there."
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now AirForceMag:
Tensions Rise as US, South Korea Kick Off Large-Scale Air Exercise
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US aircraft, including F-22s, F-35s, and B-1s, on Monday began a massive exercise alongside South Korean forces, a move North Korean officials say brings the countries to the “brink of nuclear war.”

Exercise Vigilant Ace 18 runs from Monday to Friday, and includes 12,000 US personnel along with airmen with the Republic of Korea Air Force. The “realistic air combat exercise” also includes US Marine Corps and US Navy personnel, with a total of 230 aircraft at eight locations, according to Pacific Air Forces. The aircraft include F-22s, F-35s, F-16s, F-15s, B-1s, F-18s, E/A-18s, and F-4s.

“The threat here on the peninsula is very real, and countering that threat needs to be in the forefront of our minds,” 51st Fighter Wing Commander Col. William Betts said in a release. “My biggest expectation for the wing is to remove any ‘exercise’ mindset from the equation and maximize the realism of every response. We will ensure we have no regrets if we find ourselves executing contingency operations.”

North Korean officials called the exercise a “ceaseless large-scale war game” that is “creating a situation that a nuclear war may break out at any moment,” according to
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The tensions on the Korean Peninsula have risen to the point that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), on Sunday, called on the Pentagon to not send any more dependents to South Korea.

“It’s crazy to send thousands of children to South Korea, given the provocation of North Korea,” Graham said on CBS’s Face the Nation. “So, I want them to stop sending dependents, and I think it’s now time to start moving American dependents out of South Korea.”
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USAF F-16 Fighting Falcons, assigned to the 36th Fighter Squadron, participate in an elephant walk during Exercise Vigilant Ace 18 at Osan AB, South Korea, Dec. 3, 2017. US Air Force photo by SSgt. Franklin R. Ramos.
 

manqiangrexue

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From "ironclad alliance" and "no daylight between us" to "the U.S. simply is not going to trust the Koreans with four core technologies needed for the costly Korean Fighter Experimental (KFX)." LOL

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U.S. Tech Rebuff Slams Korea's KFX Fighter

South Korea’s Defense Minister Han Min-koo, accompanying President
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to
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this week, encountered the first barrier when Defense Secretary Ashton Carter frankly reiterated what the State Department had already decreed – that the U.S. simply is not going to trust the Koreans with four “core technologies” needed for the costly Korean Fighter Experimental (KFX). Unless the U.S. agrees, the dream of producing the KFX, Korea’s own advanced fighter plane, may disintegrate.


Han had hoped to persuade Carter of the urgent need for a change of heart, but Carter apparently wasted no words in telling him essentially to forget it. That’s after the State Department in May ruled against transferring four of the 25 technologies needed for the KFX, 120 of which Korea Aerospace hopes to be producing in ten years.

Koreans have professed bitter disappointment over the refusal of the U.S. to entrust its ally with the highest-
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stuff they say is needed for the KFX not only to have stealth capabilities but to be able to find and track hostile targets with the latest state-of-the-art radar.
 

taxiya

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From "ironclad alliance" and "no daylight between us" to "the U.S. simply is not going to trust the Koreans with four core technologies needed for the costly Korean Fighter Experimental (KFX)." LOL

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U.S. Tech Rebuff Slams Korea's KFX Fighter

South Korea’s Defense Minister Han Min-koo, accompanying President
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to
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this week, encountered the first barrier when Defense Secretary Ashton Carter frankly reiterated what the State Department had already decreed – that the U.S. simply is not going to trust the Koreans with four “core technologies” needed for the costly Korean Fighter Experimental (KFX). Unless the U.S. agrees, the dream of producing the KFX, Korea’s own advanced fighter plane, may disintegrate.


Han had hoped to persuade Carter of the urgent need for a change of heart, but Carter apparently wasted no words in telling him essentially to forget it. That’s after the State Department in May ruled against transferring four of the 25 technologies needed for the KFX, 120 of which Korea Aerospace hopes to be producing in ten years.

Koreans have professed bitter disappointment over the refusal of the U.S. to entrust its ally with the highest-
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stuff they say is needed for the KFX not only to have stealth capabilities but to be able to find and track hostile targets with the latest state-of-the-art radar.
Carter is saying "buy F-35 if you want stealth, period". Seriously, I can't imagine anyone is willing to sell their crown jewel for any price except out of desperation.
 
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