South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

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dated Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:31pm EDT so I guess she's arrived yet
Exclusive: Top Obama aide to take call for South China Sea calm to Beijing

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She also said the administration would not allow crises in other parts of the world, from Syria to Turkey to Ukraine, to distract from Obama's signature policy of “rebalancing” toward Asia. “We don’t have the luxury as the world’s leading power to devote our attention to one region and ignore another,” she said.

Doesn't she meant "We don't have enough money to handle and devote ALL of our attention in ALL over the world.."?o_O
 

solarz

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Doesn't she meant "We don't have enough money to handle and devote ALL of our attention in ALL over the world.."?o_O

The thing is, terrorism is good business for those in power. It allows them to take away civil liberties and pass extensive surveillance laws.

US actions don't make sense when you view it from a national security point of view. However, if you see it as politicians trying to make money for their corporate sponsors (i.e. the MIL), then it makes perfect sense.
 

Blackstone

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Laos and Cambodia were blamed for lack of ASEAN unity on SCS, but I suspect the non-claimant members of ASEAN breathed a sigh of relief.

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Vientiane (AFP) - Southeast Asian nations were deadlocked Sunday about how to confront China's territorial claims in the South China Sea as pressure from Beijing again drove a wedge between countries on the region's toughest security challenge.

Their gathering in the Laos capital is the first time regional players -- including China and the United States -- have met en masse since a UN-backed tribunal delivered a hammer blow to Beijing's claim to vast stretches of the sea.

The 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) boasts four countries who have competing claims with Beijing to parts of the sea, and is fiercely divided on the issue.

Rival claimants have accused China of deftly forging alliances with smaller member countries like Laos, this year's host, and Cambodia through aid and loans to divide the once consensus-driven bloc.

Chinese pressure was blamed last month for a startling show of ASEAN discord when countries swiftly disavowed a joint statement released by Malaysia after an ASEAN-China meeting.

That statement had expressed alarm over Beijing's activities in the South China Sea. Cambodia and Laos were later fingered as being behind moves to block it.

Those divisions were on stark display once more in Vientiane on Sunday as regional foreign ministers met for talks.

Insiders accused Cambodia of scuppering moves to include a response to the tribunal ruling in a joint ASEAN communique -- by the end of the first day of talks there was still no agreement.

"We need to put our house in order," one diplomat involved in discussions told AFP Sunday. "But we still have not agreed on anything."

Another ASEAN diplomat added: "We remain deadlocked. We're back to the negotiating table."

The main sticking point was over whether to refer to the international tribunal ruling and if so how, a Southeast Asia diplomat told AFP.

Some countries are pushing to include a reference that urges all countries to fully "respect diplomatic and legal process", he said -- in line with statements released by the European Union, the US and Japan following the UN-backed decision.

Other countries are opposing any mention of the ruling.

Another diplomat said ministers would continue talks on Monday but warned that if a statement was published in the coming days it would likely be "really watered down".

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The impasse in Vientiane has led to fears of a repeat of a 2012 summit in Cambodia where the bloc failed to issue a joint statement for the first time in its history because of disagreements over the South China Sea.

A failure by ASEAN to respond to the tribunal will not do much to counter criticism that the bloc risks fading into obscurity as a talking shop with little real diplomatic clout.

The UN tribunal ruling earlier this month infuriated Beijing but was a victory for the Philippines, which brought the case, and for fellow ASEAN members Vietnam, Brunei and Malaysia who also claim parts of the South China Sea.

The bloc's paralysis on how to respond comes as China ratchets up its rhetoric and military manoeuvres in the sea whilst hitting out at the US.

Washington says it takes no position on the territorial disputes but argues for free sea and air passage through what it considers international waters.

US Secretary of State John Kerry arrives in Laos Monday morning. It is not yet clear whether he will meet his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi, who is also attending.

A State Department official over the weekend said the US would push for participants to ease tensions over the South China Sea and find common ground.

But Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin warned ASEAN against being influenced by outside powers, a clear rebuke to Washington.

"They (ASEAN) should in particular guard against the intervention in regional cooperation by big powers outside the region," he said according to the Xinhua news agency.

ASEAN boasts a diverse array of countries ranging from communist one-party states like Laos to the Islamic sultanate of Brunei, military junta-led Thailand and raucous democracies like Indonesia and the Philippines.

Its ability to deal with Beijing is seen as a test of whether it can jointly confront other pressing regional challenges outside of trade.
 

Blackstone

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Lord Palmerston is proven right again, countries don't have permanent friends and allies, only permanent interests. It seems the SCS received no public mention, as US signaled it considers its relations with China more important than with its ally Philippines, and its new found BFF, Vietnam. So, what's the bottom line, China gets the SCS and US gets FONOPs? Doesn't sound like a good trade to me, but short of war, there isn't much anyone could do to stop China anyway.

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BEIJING (AP) — China and the U.S. should deal with their differences candidly, U.S. National Security Adviser Susan Rice told Chinese President Xi Jinping on Monday, as ties were set to be tested after a tribunal invalidated Beijing's vast claims in the South China Sea.

Rice is the highest-level White House official to visit China since the July 12 ruling by an international tribunal delivered a victory to the Philippines, a U.S. ally, in its dispute with China.

Meeting Xi, Rice said the U.S. and China's interdependence meant that China's success was also in America's interest, and said the two nations have demonstrated that they can work together on major global issues such as climate change.

"At the same time, we are confronting our differences with candor and clarity and we believe that clarity produces predictability, and predictability produces stability," Rice said.

Xi told Rice that he was committed to building a good bilateral relationship on "the basis of no conflict, no confrontation, mutual respect and win-win cooperation."

The South China Sea received no mention in any of the opening remarks Rice and Chinese leaders made in front of reporters on Monday. Officials repeatedly acknowledged the importance of managing their disagreements.

Beijing has reacted angrily to the ruling by the Hague-based tribunal, decrying the panel as unfair and accusing Washington of interfering in the region. The U.S., whose navy patrols the waters, has called on China to abide by the ruling while also urging calm.

A statement issued later by the White House said that Rice discussed with China's top diplomat State Councilor Yang Jiechi U.S. views on human rights, maritime issues, and the treatment of U.S. businesses and non-governmental organizations operating in China.

It also said Rice met with Central Politics and Law Commission Secretary Meng Jianzhu and underscored the importance of abiding by cyber commitments reached by President Barack Obama and Xi when they met in Washington last September — when the two leaders agreed that neither government would support commercial cyber-theft.

Rice also met with top general Fan Changlong, who told her the sides still faced "obstacles and challenges."

"If we don't properly handle these factors, it will very likely disturb and undermine this steady momentum of our military-to-military relationship," said Fan, who serves as vice chairman of the ruling Communist Party's Central Military Commission.

Rice pointed to the increased communication between the sides that she said has reduced the possibility of conflict, even while their militaries operate in closer proximity than ever before.

Despite such progress, "we have challenges and differences to discuss and to manage," Rice said.

Rice conveyed a similar message when she and Yang met. Yang said that the sides had stable relations, but that there were still differences that had to be carefully managed.

China's island development in the South China Sea has inflamed regional tensions, including with nations that have competing claims to the land formations.

Beijing's officials see an American plot behind the arbitration case, considering that as just another sign of what China perceives as a relentless U.S. campaign to contain its rise to prominence. The United States says it takes no position on South China Sea sovereignty claims, but insists that freedom of navigation and overflight in the region be maintained.

Rice's visit is primarily aimed at preparing for U.S. President Barack Obama's trip to China in September to attend the leaders' summit of the Group of 20 major economies.

Rice will also visit Shanghai and meet with business executives to discuss challenges that U.S. businesses face while operating in China, according to a statement from the U.S. National Security Council.
 

plawolf

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Lord Palmerston is proven right again, countries don't have permanent friends and allies, only permanent interests. It seems the SCS received no public mention, as US signaled it considers its relations with China more important than with its ally Philippines, and its new found BFF, Vietnam. So, what's the bottom line, China gets the SCS and US gets FONOPs? Doesn't sound like a good trade to me, but short of war, there isn't much anyone could do to stop China anyway.

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It's not a good trade, but it's the best America could hope to salvage from the situation without going all in and starting a war to try their luck with one last throw of the dice.

As I have said all along, it was a strategic mistake of epic proportions for America to pick this issue to double down with China over.

The great irony is that if Hillary didn't stick her nose in and scupper China's original deal with the other claimants, the SCS dispute would have already been solved in a far less advantageous way for China.

Had the original deal gone through, China would not have built islands in the region, and so would only have had a few tiny outposts that were in truth more liability than asset.

China would have had a toehold presence in the region, but not had anything like the dominating strategic position it enjoys now.

The US were caught out cold by China's engineering capabilities, that was bad enough. But it resolutely refused to take the hint, and has all but forced China to station weapons in the Spratly Islands with all its aggressive sabre rattling, when it would have been a significant diplomatic challenge for China to have justified such a move without all the crude American gunboat intimidation tactics.

As far as China is concerned, the US is more than welcome to up the stakes with its Paracels 'FON' patrols all it wants, that only gives China the perfect cover and pretext to arm those islands any time it wants.

Although tbh, given the realities on the ground, actually putting weapons on those islands is largely a matter of semantics at this point, and would be done so more for the diplomatic and political statement such a move makes over tactical military considerations.

The monitoring capabilities granted by the radar and sonar sites on those new islands allows China unparalleled sitiuation awareness in the region, such that it cannot be taken by surprise by a sneak attack. There are always significant PLAN units on patrol nearby that could easily hold off any conceivable attack long enough that no one could hope to be able to overwhelm islands of that size before massive PLA reinforcements starts pouring in from the mainland.
 

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2016/07/26 11:59:45

Taipei, July 26 (CNA) Ten crew members of three Taiwanese fishing boats set foot in the port of Taiping Island in the South China Sea on Tuesday, expressing their excitement at finally seeing the island up close.

The fishing boats left Pingtung County on July 20 for the Taiwan-held island to highlight Taiwan's sovereignty there and that it is in fact an "island" under international law after an international tribunal ruled on July 12 that it was not.

The boats docked at the port Monday night, and after requesting permission from the commander of Taiping Island, the fishermen were allowed access to the island's port area on Tuesday.

But they were forbidden from entering the island itself as it is a restricted military base, said Captain Chen Fu-sheng (陳富盛) of the Pingtung-based Man Sheng Chi No. 8, one of the three boats that reached the island.

"Since we have come to Taiping Island, we feel like we should set foot on its land, or we will have regrets," Chen told CNA in a telephone interview.

"I saw the stone stele that former president Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) took a photo with. There are also coconut and papaya trees on the island," Chen said.

Chen said he believed Taiping Island is an island because there are trees, fresh water and chickens and cows on the island.

He said his crew has filled up bottles of fresh water and plan to bring them back to Taiwan "to give each reporter (unable to come along) a bottle."

The three fishing boats departed for Taiwan at about 11 a.m. after being replenished with 21 canisters of fresh water two cartons of canned pork and beef.

No Taiwan reporters were allowed to cover the journey. A crew from the Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV managed to go with a fourth fishing boat but the it was not allowed to dock and set anchor instead in waters off the island.

During their brief stay, two of the fishermen who landed on the island were sent to a medical station in the port to be treated for toothache and skin infection. They returned to their boats after being treated.

The flotilla of four fishing boats embarked on the journey July 20.

The fishermen's trip was taken in response to a July 12 ruling by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

In a case brought by the Philippines against China, the court said all high-tide features in the Spratly Islands, including Itu Aba (Taiping Island), are legally "rocks" rather than islands and therefore not entitled to 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zones.

Without a 200-nautical-mile economic zone, Taiwanese fishermen could end up having a much smaller area in the South China Sea in which to operate.

(By Kuo Chih-hsuan and Christie Chen)
 

Blackstone

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Good to see Washington and Beijing deescalate SCS tensions.

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After months of confrontations in the South China Sea and days of high-stakes diplomacy, U.S. Secretary of State
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said Tuesday the time has arrived to "move away from the public tensions and turn the page."

Kerry met with his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, on Monday on the sidelines of a regional gathering of Southeast Asian countries. China had scored a diplomatic victory when a watered-down joint statement from the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations did not criticize China for its actions in the South China Sea and did not mention a tribunal ruling that eviscerated China's historic claims to the waters.

Kerry said at a news conference that the U.S. is not taking sides on the substance of maritime disputes from countries such as the
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, which took the case to the tribunal in The Hague, but believes "rule of law must be upheld." China has said it will ignore the ruling, which it deems illegitimate. It leaned on Cambodia and other close allies to prevent ASEAN from making a critical statement, saying the disputes should be handled in one-on-one negotiations and not by the regional bloc.

But with The Hague ruling in the past, Kerry said he and Wang agreed it is time to lower the temperature. Kerry flies to Manila on Tuesday and is scheduled to meet with the Philippines new president,
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, on Wednesday. He said he will urge Duterte to negotiate with Beijing.

"Hopefully this can become a moment that we can all take advantage of, where we work out some of the modalities of how do you deal with the fishing? How do you deal with natural resources? How do you deal with the movement, the free movement of vessels and protect the rights of everybody?" Kerry said. "This could be a very important moment of shifting how this discussion is taking place and not being played out through public moves unilaterally and challenges, but in a constructive and thoughtful, engaged diplomatic manner."

Philippines Secretary of Foreign Affairs Perfecto Yasay Jr. said Duterte had sent him to Laos with simple instructions. "I was just conscious of the fact that our president had said that whatever we will do, we will not violate the law, we will uphold the constitution and we will promote the paramount national interest," Yasay said.

Wang emphasized earlier that the Philippines' previous administration brought the case to the tribunal — suggesting an opening with Duterte, who took office in June.
 

Blackstone

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The author failed to mention 'rule of law' is only legitimate if all nations are held to the same standard. No doubt it was just an oversight.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the lead-up to an international court ruling on China's claims in the South China Sea this month, United States officials talked about rallying a coalition to impose "terrible" costs to Beijing's international reputation if flouted the court's decision.

But just two weeks after the July 12 announcement by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague - which at least on paper, appeared to be a humiliating defeat for China - the U.S. strategy appears to be unraveling and the court's ruling is in danger of becoming irrelevant.

Earlier this year, U.S. officials spoke repeatedly of the need for countries in the Asia-Pacific region and elsewhere, including the European Union, to make it clear that the decision of the court should be binding.

"We need to be ready to be very loud and vocal, in harmony together ... to say that this is international law, this is incredibly important, it is binding on all parties," Amy Searight, the then-U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense for South and Southeast Asia, said in February.

Then in April, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken said China risked "terrible" damage to its reputation if it ignored The Hague's ruling.

The top lawyer from the Philippines, which brought the case against China, even said Beijing risked "outlaw" status.

The United States had backed Manila's case on the grounds that China's claims to 85 percent of the South China Sea, one of the world's busiest trade routes, were a threat to freedom of navigation and international law.

Yet after the international court rejected Beijing's position, the U.S. calls for a united front appear to have made little headway, with only six countries joining Washington in insisting that the decision should be binding.

They include the Philippines, but not several other countries with their own claims to parts of the South China Sea that might benefit if Beijing observed the decision.

China also scored a major diplomatic victory earlier this week, when the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) dropped any reference to the ruling from a joint statement at the end of a meeting of the 10-country group's foreign minister in Laos. This followed objections from Cambodia, Beijing's closest ASEAN ally.

On July 15, the European Union, distracted after Britain's vote to leave the bloc, issued a statement taking note of the ruling, but avoiding direct reference to Beijing or any assertion that the decision was binding.

RULING RISKS IRRELEVANCE

On Wednesday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry expressed satisfaction that ASEAN had issued a communique that championed the rule of law and said the omission of any reference to the arbitration case did not detract from its importance.

He also said it was "impossible" for the ruling to become irrelevant because it is legally binding.

But analysts said it now risks exactly that, not least because Washington has failed to press the issue effectively with its friends and allies.

"We should all be worried that this case is going to go down as nothing more than a footnote because its impact was only as strong as the international community was going to make it," said Greg Poling, a South China Sea expert at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think-tank.

"And the international community has voted by not saying anything. The consensus seems to be 'We don’t care. We don’t want to hold China to these standards.'"

Dean Cheng, an expert on China with the Heritage Foundation think-tank, said Washington appeared reluctant to push a tougher line with Beijing - a vital economic partner as well as a strategic rival - with only a few months to go in President Barack Obama's tenure and a presidential election in November.

"What we have is China pushing very hard into the South China Sea, physically, politically, illegally and diplomatically, and the United States refraining from doing very much at all," said Cheng.

One reason for the administration's relative passivity may be its desire to prevent any major escalation of the dispute after the ruling, including further land reclamation by China or the declaration of a new air defense identification zone.

China has so far responded only with sharpened rhetoric, but analysts and officials worry that Beijing might take bolder action after it hosts the Group of 20 meeting of the world's biggest economies in September.
 

Jeff Head

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As I have said MANY times.

The US Navy will continue conducting exercise, and the PRC will continue to improve its new improvements and islands.

The US Made its part clear recently:

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Pacific Sentinel said:
The US will continue naval patrols in the disputed South China Sea, Washington's National Security Adviser Susan Rice told Chinese representatives during a series of meetings in Beijing, a senior American official said Tuesday.

Rice is among the highest-level US officials to visit China since an international tribunal this month rejected its vast territorial claims in the strategically vital region -- infuriating Beijing and fuelling tensions with Washington.

Her trip was intended to prepare for a visit by President Barack Obama to a G20 summit in Hangzhou in September.

But the question of how to deal with the festering issue, in which Washington has played a prominent role, cast a long shadow over the talks, which included a meeting with President Xi Jinping.
In recent months Washington has sent naval vessels close to reefs and outcrops claimed by Beijing to assert the principle of freedom of navigation, sparking anger in China which has built a series of artificial islands in the area capable of supporting military operations.

In her meetings with top diplomatic and military officials, Rice told her counterparts that "those operations are lawful. They will continue", according to a senior US official, who asked for anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject.

The issue was not directly raised with Xi, he said, describing the conversation as "incredibly positive", although "there was a very clear recognition that we face a number of challenges".

In general terms, he said, "both sides were very clear with one another".

"There's no room for ambiguity," he added. "That kind of clarity... promotes stability and reduces the risk of miscalculation."

...and the PRC has made clear with its deplyments, developments, stationing, etc, that it will continue to improve its position.

I see no real cause for alarm. The press and certain leanings in each country may try and make a lot out of this...but to me, its pretty normal faire.[/quote]
 

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July 21, 2016 - A ceremony today in Coast Guard Base Alameda authorized the transfer of a third decommissioned Coast Guard cutter to the Philippine Navy as part of the Excess Defense Articles program

Rear Adm. Joseph M. Vojvodich, the Coast Guard’s Assistant Commandant for Acquisition and Chief Acquisition Officer, the presiding official, and Rear Adm. Bayani Gaerlan, Commander Philippine Fleet, both signed the transfer documents that officially released the Coast Guard cutter to the Philippine government.

The former San-Diego based Cutter Boutwell was christened into Philippine frigate BRP Andres Bonifacio prior to the ceremonial crew swap.

"The Coast Guard is saddened that this cutter is no longer with our fleet, but we are also proud to send it on a new mission in the service of a great nation, under the capable watch of professional sailors and close friends,” said Vojvodich. “This storied ship will continue to execute vital maritime missions for the Republic of the Philippines; an important ally, as a trading partner, and as a compatriot in the struggle to preserve freedom of the seas to protect life at sea, and to combat global terror.”

Today’s ceremony marked the third delivery of a high-endurance Coast Guard cutter to the Philippine government. The two other decommissioned cutters were the San Diego-based Hamilton and Charleston, South Carolina-based Dallas.

Under the EDA program, assets no longer needed and declared excess by the U.S. Armed Forces may be offered at reduced or no cost to eligible foreign recipients on an “as is, where is” basis in support of U.S. national security and foreign policy objectives, under authorities established in the Foreign

Assistance Act of 1961 and the Arms Export Control Act. Typically, EDA is transferred to support U. S. allies in their modernization efforts and to assist Latin American and Caribbean nations in their counter-narcotics programs.

In Boutwell’s case, the cutter is an $8 million grant, but the Philippine Navy is investing $16 million to modernize and outfit the cutter in the U.S. as part of the transfer program. The U.S. Coast Guard also benefits from the transfer by saving over $12 million in ship disposal costs. Both nations benefit by improving maritime safety and security mission capacity in the international waters surrounding the Republic of the Philippines.

Boutwell was decommissioned March 16 at San Diego after 48 years of service to the nation. Boutwell is the third and longest-serving cutter named after the former Secretary of the Treasury, George Sewall Boutwell.

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