Potential backfire from Google Ban

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    Click the link in this article there is article about the new Huawei OS "Hong Meng"https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=#华为自研操作系统鸿蒙#

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/...-license-china-customers-support-weibo-douyin
    Chinese customers are firmly supporting Huawei after Google pulls Android license
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    The users least impacted by losing Google services are on Huawei’s side here

    By Chaim Gartenberg@cgartenberg May 20, 2019, 4:43pm EDTSHARE
    [​IMG]Photo by Vlad Savov / The Verge
    Huawei had its Android license cut off by Google over the weekend thanks to a US government order. But Chinese users appear to be rallying around the company, with social media posts on Weibo and Douyin showing strong support for Huawei, according to What’s On Weibo.

    The debate over Huawei and national security was thrust back into the spotlight over the weekend, when, as part of a US government order, Google revoked Huawei’s Android license, which cuts the company’s phones off entirely from most Google apps and services. It’s less of a problem for users in China, given nearly all Google services don’t function in China anyway, but the move is far more problematic for Huawei’s efforts to expand beyond its Chinese customer base to places like Europe and the US.

    Per What’s On Weibos report, Chinese customers are posting in support of Huawei with declarations that they’ll continue using their Huawei phones or to purchase their next device from the company in the future. Hashtag campaigns for “Huawei Doesn’t Need to Rely on America for its Microchips” (#华为芯片可以不依赖美国供应链#) and “Huawei’s Self-Developed Operating System Hong Meng” (#华为自研操作系统鸿蒙#) were also trending on Weibo, highlighting that Huawei already develops many of its own components for its phones, as well as the in-house operating system that Huawei has been developing for just this sort of circumstance.
     
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    Huawei might consider teaming up with other Chinese phone makers on creating a new OS and ecosystem. The OS part should be trivial, but it will take time and scale to build up the ecosystem to the point where it can be competitive overseas. The whole reason Android gained ground way back in the day was because each smart phone maker used to have its own OS, meaning that it was impossible to have apps that could be developed once and used on any platform. Today, it is not so much of an issue.
     
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    Potential HongMeng OS photo
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    No, that's just the standard EMUI lockscreen that all Huawei's phone uses right now.
    Anyways, the US did just grant a temporary waiver to Huawei for the next 90 days.
    It's likely that they didn't anticipate the amount of damage the ban is doing to American companies.
     
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    Regardless, wouldn't be bad if China develops it's own alternative to iOS and Android. I mean, if Apple can maintain it's own separate ecosystem then China could too easily.
     
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    Easily? Not quite. Apple took years to get to the point where it was strongest. Same for Android. And Apple was in many ways the first one to do it properly, it was the best system out there when it started, it really had no competitors.
    For Huawei to do it, it'd have to battle both iOS and Android. It's doable, sure. But Huawei would need to pump a ton of money into it and it would still take years. Developers won't just populate Huawei app store on their own. Most apps get used not because Huawei tells users to use them but because the popular culture and word of mouth direct customers towards specific apps. Customers won't just buy the new OS phone all of a sudden, when so many things that they're used to are lacking. So Huawei will need to pump those billions as incentive for both developers and users (cutting the prices even lower) to convince them to play along.
     
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    I don't think the 90 days means anything. If I were Huawei, I would not accept it because that period is for China/Huawei to surrender. Nothing more!
     
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    Huawei's founder Ren Zhengfei has already stated in an interview by Chinese media to day that it means nothing and that Huawei is ready now so there's no need for the 90 days.

    That being said I still feel that Huawei will use this period to increase their stockpile of chips, you know, just in case.

    There are also two pieces of important information from today's interview. The first one is that Ren told reporters that Huawei's American partners and suppliers are working very hard to pursuade the US govt to change its mind or to at least modify the ban in such a way that would allow trade between them to a certain extent.

    Another piece of information is that Google is also working with Huawei on this to find a way to mitigate the impacts of the ban or to somehow find a way out such that it won't be devastating to Huawei's overseas phone business.

    Anyhow, despite US govt action, both Huawei and American tech industry are still working together to find a way around this. Because it's in their common interest to do so.
     
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    “Surrender”
    “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.“

    The spin has been strong of late because of the economic dealings between the US and China. I find it ironically humorous that the thing that President Trump rilled against the most. The Trade imbalance between China and the US turned into the greatest tool for him to inflict his displeasure. But that’s OT.
    I am not going to go into the whole 5G thing but OS alone.

    The story lists the two most popular Mobile OS.
    Google’s Alphabet’s Android, which is popular because just about everyone who makes mobile smart devices uses a fork of it.
    As such it has an extensive apps store and plentiful supply of Phones, “Phabets”, tablets and even lap tops.
    I have used three devices of this type ZTE Maven <Broke on me in 2 months> ASUS<broke on me in two weeks>
    Samsung <lasted 2 years, still have it just letting the last of my minutes die>
    The lions share of the smart device market is Droids at over 74%

    Apple’s IOS. Despite what people think IPhone was about the fourth smart phone IBM Simon was the first. ThenNOKIA 9000Series followed by the Blackberry.
    But the secret sauces of the IPhone set the mold for successive smart devices. The touch screen face display that was in full color and apps store that allowed rapid tailoring became the norm to this day. Blackberry was a texting machine. Nokia 9000 and the IBM Simon were a decade to early with black and white or black and gold LCD screens and limited by the apps on the market. Fine for a game of snake or texting but you can’t watch GOT on the train with them. Apple drove that media right into people’s pockets.

    <I currently own both a Apple IPhone8 and a Apple IPad Mini 4 both bought in the last 6 months. I bought the IPad first then the IPhone for the sake of commonality between them. Neither are the newest of the line I am well aware.>

    Apple right now is actually in a bit of a slump. iPhone sales have been falling well the price point is going back up. When IPhone first launched it was a virtual monopoly, but with Android as the ubiquitous OS and made by just about every maker other than Apple the brand has slipped back. There is obviously still demand. A plentiful apps store and every time I have visited a brick and mortar Apple store it’s packed wall to wall with people. Even when I bought my IPhone at the AT&T store there were other people drooling over the latest IPhone X. Despite being proprietary it holds ~22% of the industry.

    These two are the Giants but there have been others.
    Remember Windows?

    Microsoft Windows Phone OS was supposed to be the third option using Microsoft as the base it launched on Nokia phones. The OS worked. <I was a launch costumer with a lower end device> but the biggest issue was the apps store. It was empty. I used that phone almost 3 years. It was durable it was reliable it was functional it never had a wide variety of apps beyond the stock offerings on the phone. Eventually I hear they got more but that was long after I had traded in my phone for an Android. It’s still active but sits at about .28% of the industry

    kaiOS
    What? Seriously there are more MOS already and KaiOS is one of them it’s a fork of the attempt at a Firefox OS. The likely third option emerging at .81%

    There are others they all sit in that less that 1% range.

    And we have heard of a Chinese OS before
    Yuanxi OS
    Remember that one? Back in 2014 it was supposed to be China’s Apple mincer/Droid killer. Have yet to hear anything more for the last 5 years.

    There are others still but it’s not a question of getting the OS to work. It’s a question of getting users to buy and apps makers to write for you. Many an OS emerged only to fall due to lack of interest leading to makers no longer support it or it being a labor of love OS updated by fan programmers.
    https://itsfoss.com/open-source-alternatives-android/
     
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