JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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AssassinsMace
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A simple pet-peeve I have with the PLAAF that just bugs me is the paint job on their fighters. I assume the Pakistanis painted those two JF-17s and they do a better finish than the PLAAF. What is it with the dull grey and black nose cone? The only good looking color scheme I've seen is the green camo on the early J-10s. Plus a couple of those pics of the two J-10Bs... parked side by side and the one you see on the magazine covers look good too.
Does anyone know if there's some reason behind this?
A simple pet-peeve I have with the PLAAF that just bugs me is the paint job on their fighters. I assume the Pakistanis painted those two JF-17s and they do a better finish than the PLAAF. What is it with the dull grey and black nose cone? The only good looking color scheme I've seen is the green camo on the early J-10s. Plus a couple of those pics of the two J-10Bs... parked side by side and the one you see on the magazine covers look good too.
Does anyone know if there's some reason behind this?
Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
that i completely agree with you:nono: this JF-17 the pakistanis painted for their national day flypast looks so good i must say they outdo their chinese colleagues. do any of you think the FC-1 is the perfect aircraft to replace those J-7G's china uses for the august 8th acrobatic team? since it has great flying manovorabitly & it's a great way to ''show'' the plane around for publicity. but one thing, i think plaaf should let their pak friends to the honour of designing a cool & beautiful paint scheme for the NEW august 8th FC-1 flying team!
oh & one more thing, what about conformal fuel tanks for the FC-1? i wish some mainland CG artists would do one just for the sake of letting us see what it might possibly look like. :nana:
that i completely agree with you:nono: this JF-17 the pakistanis painted for their national day flypast looks so good i must say they outdo their chinese colleagues. do any of you think the FC-1 is the perfect aircraft to replace those J-7G's china uses for the august 8th acrobatic team? since it has great flying manovorabitly & it's a great way to ''show'' the plane around for publicity. but one thing, i think plaaf should let their pak friends to the honour of designing a cool & beautiful paint scheme for the NEW august 8th FC-1 flying team!
oh & one more thing, what about conformal fuel tanks for the FC-1? i wish some mainland CG artists would do one just for the sake of letting us see what it might possibly look like. :nana:
Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
if you actually bothered to go back a few pages and read the radar stuff, you would see a pretty good explanation for this. And I'm not going to state it again.
if you actually bothered to go back a few pages and read the radar stuff, you would see a pretty good explanation for this. And I'm not going to state it again.
AssassinsMace
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
I don't know if it was this forum or another but someone posted that another country had painted their fighters with black nose cones. They found out that the black nose made it easier to spot in the air. If true, sounds like the PLAAF ain't thinking. Just like during parades, the PLA likes to white-wall the tires. It looks like something from the 50s. I know the PLA likes to keep low key. I was just wondering if this was some sort of philosophy to make their stuff look less than it is. Because I've certainly seen many people in other forums comment on PLA paint jobs which I thought was superficial but maybe its intent was not. I've heard simple stories to throw people off in the Chinese spygame that does stuff like that but never heard about it through the military.
I don't know if it was this forum or another but someone posted that another country had painted their fighters with black nose cones. They found out that the black nose made it easier to spot in the air. If true, sounds like the PLAAF ain't thinking. Just like during parades, the PLA likes to white-wall the tires. It looks like something from the 50s. I know the PLA likes to keep low key. I was just wondering if this was some sort of philosophy to make their stuff look less than it is. Because I've certainly seen many people in other forums comment on PLA paint jobs which I thought was superficial but maybe its intent was not. I've heard simple stories to throw people off in the Chinese spygame that does stuff like that but never heard about it through the military.
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maglomanic
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
For the acrobatic team part, we have discussed earlier that it wasnt that spectacular.
Before conformal tanks could be thought about there are other urgent things on the list.
1)Better engine
2)Upgrade on radar (probably moving towards AESA)
3)Integration of IFR, IRST,HMD etc
Once these things are done they can certainly move to the next level by increasing range and payload.
For the acrobatic team part, we have discussed earlier that it wasnt that spectacular.
Before conformal tanks could be thought about there are other urgent things on the list.
1)Better engine
2)Upgrade on radar (probably moving towards AESA)
3)Integration of IFR, IRST,HMD etc
Once these things are done they can certainly move to the next level by increasing range and payload.
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I don't particularly like the PLAAF paint jobs, which I think was intentionally bland and labor cheap. They don't even bother to put a camoflage pattern on the planes; patterns are still there with J-10s that went to the FTTC but were completely gone and bland by the time the J-10s reached the 44th.
The black nose cone doesn't help certainly not. I think it's black because the cone is made of carbon fiber. Previous to that many planes were using a fiberglass cone that was green. I certainly don't think its hard for China to make grey radomes, as we have seen in the ships, the H-6Hs and on the new JF-17s. Lets see in the future if some kind of sense would settle on the PLAAF and they would get low visbility grey radomes.
I don't think I like the color scheme on the PLAAF Flankers either. The dark grey makes them stand out, and its certainly not as nice as the original RuAF schemes.
The drab colors is the PLAAF equivalent of the Mao suit, uniformly and unitarian. But the PLAAF has been capable of doing nice camo patterns in the past, as indicated by the work done on some old J-6s, Q-5s and J-7s.
I don't particularly like the PLAAF paint jobs, which I think was intentionally bland and labor cheap. They don't even bother to put a camoflage pattern on the planes; patterns are still there with J-10s that went to the FTTC but were completely gone and bland by the time the J-10s reached the 44th.
The black nose cone doesn't help certainly not. I think it's black because the cone is made of carbon fiber. Previous to that many planes were using a fiberglass cone that was green. I certainly don't think its hard for China to make grey radomes, as we have seen in the ships, the H-6Hs and on the new JF-17s. Lets see in the future if some kind of sense would settle on the PLAAF and they would get low visbility grey radomes.
I don't think I like the color scheme on the PLAAF Flankers either. The dark grey makes them stand out, and its certainly not as nice as the original RuAF schemes.
The drab colors is the PLAAF equivalent of the Mao suit, uniformly and unitarian. But the PLAAF has been capable of doing nice camo patterns in the past, as indicated by the work done on some old J-6s, Q-5s and J-7s.
coolieno99
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
During peace time, paint schemes are not too important. During time of expected aggression, I would expect all fighters would be spray painted with a liberal coat of RAM, at least on their leading edges(like Japan F-2). RAM are relatively short-lived, and must be applied frequently.
During peace time, paint schemes are not too important. During time of expected aggression, I would expect all fighters would be spray painted with a liberal coat of RAM, at least on their leading edges(like Japan F-2). RAM are relatively short-lived, and must be applied frequently.
Zahid
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
A few days ago I had asked a simple question about the rate of production for JF17 / FC1. Somehow the engine issue cropped up rather unnecessarily and derailed any meaningful discussion.
I would like to read what knowledgeable forum members have to say about likely rate of production, keeping in mind the production facilities in both Pakistan and China. Let us assume that engine is not going to be a problem.
A few days ago I had asked a simple question about the rate of production for JF17 / FC1. Somehow the engine issue cropped up rather unnecessarily and derailed any meaningful discussion.
I would like to read what knowledgeable forum members have to say about likely rate of production, keeping in mind the production facilities in both Pakistan and China. Let us assume that engine is not going to be a problem.
BLUEJACKET
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Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread
I don't think that even the PRC/Paks know the rate of production since it just started!
But to just guestimate, me not knowing other factors, if the 16 are "initial", I would say up to 30 is a safe bet- I'm sure others will have a better idea!
I don't think that even the PRC/Paks know the rate of production since it just started!
But to just guestimate, me not knowing other factors, if the 16 are "initial", I would say up to 30 is a safe bet- I'm sure others will have a better idea!
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