Hong-Kong Protests

Josh Luo said:

Because if the youth in Mainland China riots against the Party State, they would be "disappeared" into undisclosed jails, tortured, and given a permanent mark down on their social credit. They would then never be able to join the CCP or work for any government affiliated entities. They might even have problems borrowing money to start businesses or buy properties. In other words, if you dissent against the Party State, you can kiss good bye to a good life. Also, both Confucianism and CCP emphasize respect toward authority, while HKers were brought up under certain liberal norms, despite the fact that the Brits never gave them democracy.

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And if the youth in USA or UK or anywhere else in this world riots against their goverment, they will be praised? And after rioting they will have a good life ?

The withdrawal of the bill will change nothing. It's wishful thinking to think otherwise.

There are only two paths available to HKers now:

1- Ask for Central Government intervention.
2- Take matters into their own hands and retake their city from these rioters.

phynex92 said:

I think Deng fully anticipated what will potentially happen to HK post-handover. It was just that China in 1984 wasn't in a strong position to negotiate on the matter especially after the fiasco of the Cultural Revolution. This is why the garrison law was put into the Basic Law in case of emergencies.

I might have an unpopular opinion here, but I think it does serve China's interest to maintain a certain degree of autonomy for HK. With China's one-party system, I personally believe it does need voices of opposition to correct itself from time to time. HK serves as a good place for this because it not so small that it is insignificant but also not so big that it can steer the entire country off-course.

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I'm not sure why you feel your opinions going to be unpopular? Just because we have been showing another side of this sorry saga, because the MSM keeps peddling their narratives of "peaceful" demonstration doesn't mean we are all against keeping the status quo.

In fact, I think most of us here are all for maintain the 1 country 2 system principl. And so is the majority of Hong Kong residence.

It is infact, the "pro-democracy" demonstrators, with the encouragment and support of outside forces, together with their messenger general, the MSM. that wants to break the current status quo to force their agenda on the people of Hong Kong.

They do it by lying to people about Hong Kong lacks freedom and democracy, and how China is controlling, etc.

When in reality, Hong Kong enjoys more democracy than some of the western nations. (take a look at the catalan referendum, how did that go down?)

PanAsian said:

Again, these rioters are not fighting for "universal suffrage" at all. Hong Kongers already have universal suffrage - one person one vote.

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You know that, and I know that, but he and most people doesn't know that?!

This is testament of the MSM and their ability to distort facts to the masses, leading to him and others believing Hong Kong government in undemocratic!

PanAsian said:

No, they are very much racist against mainland Chinese and like you yourself said, they are also anti-CCP/PRC ideologues.

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My post was tongue-in-cheek!. Lol

PanAsian said:

Again, the Hong Kong judicial system is stacked with Western trained judges to operate in a British Common Law environment, great for handling commerce with the West, not so great for handling politically motivated crimes especially those with Western sponsors.

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Its incredible, all judged are subsevant to the British judicial system!

And China kepts its promised of no change for 50 years. (another inconvenient truth the MSM keeps their readers from knowing).

Can you imagine the outcry if China started appoint judges in Hong Kong! All the while, the west keeps appointing political judges (kavanah, anyone) to position of importance, but thats ok"

PanAsian said:

I wouldn't blame democracy. The worst things colonialism left India are the same things they left Hong Kong: locals ignorant of their own heritage and history, hatred of their own independent development based on the above, prejudice against other locals based on the above, colonial country/culture/people worship (in this case British/Western), and ultimately what colonialists want - locals traitorous against their own country to the benefit of the colonial country/culture/people.

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Actually, Great Britain never left India with democracy, because they never had it during their colonial period!

Equation said:

Yes but "democracy" gave them the excuse to be prejudice against their own cultural history and background. Bottom line it's a racial superiority thing. Like the old saying here in the South (yes Texas included)..."if ya ain't white ya ain't right. MAGA babe!"

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Wow, didn't know that! So that's a Texan saying? Pretty racial and to the point!

The Dutch got something similar, "if you ain't Dutch, you ain't much".

nugroho said:

And if the youth in USA or UK or anywhere else in this world riots against their goverment, they will be praised? And after rioting they will have a good life ?

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Lol, yeah, all those occupied wall street rioters, and yellow jersey rioters that the police using brutal force to captur are now all holiday in the Bahamas courtesy of their respective government. Lol

AssassinsMace said:

What it is with these protestors being such wusses? The way they swing their hammers and pipes first I thought they were holding back when going after people with a little consciousness they don't want to hurt just intimidate but when I see them out to damage property it's like these weakling child like swings. And if anybody fights back they're the ones intimidated.

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Note that you can catch in many videos that often times the rioters have their own minders (restraining them from being their worst while being filmed, verbally dissuading/bullying/distracting victims from further action after the rioters have physically attacked them or robbed them of their phone with evidence of their wrongdoings etc.) and media (including real, fake, and non-press journalists and photo/videographers) on scene to play good cop bad cop and spin the situation their way. A lot of the rioters are actually bad at rioting, not that they don't have the intent, at the same time they have been trained and are corralled to try to win the propaganda war.