Brother of Ling Jihua Reveals China's nuclear launch code and top secrets to US

This is terrible too darn hilarious!

I am bringing this thread back for a good reason.

I think what US currently is targeting all of China's weaknesses from information gleaned from this leak. The past 2 years has been non-stop attack on China's economy and technological progress on every level. And it seems to be getting worse.

All you naysayers are saying the information they got were outdated etc etc obviously have no clue on Chinese culture - the ostrich mentality combined with "cutting corners" whenever one can, means that they probably only superficially change a few procedures hoping that will throw off the american.

The problem is if you stick with a strategy that is already revealed to your opponent, it is doomed to fail.

Ultra said:

I am bringing this thread back for a good reason.

I think what US currently is targeting all of China's weaknesses from information gleaned from this leak. The past 2 years has been non-stop attack on China's economy and technological progress on every level. And it seems to be getting worse.

All you naysayers are saying the information they got were outdated etc etc obviously have no clue on Chinese culture - the ostrich mentality combined with "cutting corners" whenever one can, means that they probably only superficially change a few procedures hoping that will throw off the american.

The problem is if you stick with a strategy that is already revealed to your opponent, it is doomed to fail.

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1. What evidence are you using to connect the two?

2. Attacking China's weaknesses implies that there is some success brought by the tactic. Simply intensifying attacks doesn't indicate correctly targeting weaknesses, but rather increased desperation. So far, the US has failed to stop China's technological advance and failed to disrupt China's economy. I don't see any clever use of intel in the results.

3."The problem is if you stick with a strategy that is already revealed to your opponent, it is doomed to fail." This sounds like you're talking about Trump trying to use the tricks published in "his" book.

manqiangrexue said:

1. What evidence are you using to connect the two?

2. Attacking China's weaknesses implies that there is some success brought by the tactic. Simply intensifying attacks doesn't indicate correctly targeting weaknesses, but rather increased desperation. So far, the US has failed to stop China's technological advance and failed to disrupt China's economy. I don't see any clever use of intel in the results.

3."The problem is if you stick with a strategy that is already revealed to your opponent, it is doomed to fail." This sounds like you're talking about Trump trying to use the tricks published in "his" book.

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It is clear that the Trump Administration has been guided by the logic of offensive realism, which is not surprising. Britain did the same to Germany before World War I. However, the problem is that the more the Trump Administration tries to "decouple" and isolate China economically and politically, the more the CCP could be incentivized to move toward an autarkic economy while increasing repression at home and becoming more aggressive toward its neighbors (many of whom the U.S. is obligated to defend). Already, multinational (and some Chinese-owned) firms are moving their production lines out of China to SE Asia to evade U.S. tariffs. Large-scale unemployment could seriously lead to instability in China and challenge the CCP's monopoly of power. The CCP would then resort to nationalism and aggressive foreign policy to maintain its legitimacy. This increases the chance of an all-out war resulting from a weaken CCP Party-State fighting to maintain power. In other words, the Trump Administration's strategy is to push the Chinese Party-State into a corner. As the old Chinese saying goes, a dog being pushed into a corner could lash out with a nasty bite.

Josh Luo said:

It is clear that the Trump Administration has been guided by the logic of offensive realism, which is not surprising. Britain did the same to Germany before World War I. However, the problem is that the more the Trump Administration tries to "decouple" and isolate China economically and politically, the more the CCP could be incentivized to move toward an autarkic economy while increasing repression at home and becoming more aggressive toward its neighbors (many of whom the U.S. is obligated to defend). Already, multinational (and some Chinese-owned) firms are moving their production lines out of China to SE Asia to evade U.S. tariffs. Large-scale unemployment could seriously lead to instability in China and challenge the CCP's monopoly of power. The CCP would then resort to nationalism and aggressive foreign policy to maintain its legitimacy. This increases the chance of an all-out war resulting from a weaken CCP Party-State fighting to maintain power. In other words, the Trump Administration's strategy is to push the Chinese Party-State into a corner. As the old Chinese saying goes, a dog being pushed into a corner could lash out with a nasty bite.

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There's a lot of "ifs" and assumptions to that plan. First of all, it doesn't link the US actions to the Ling Jihua treason case. Every country likely has an idealized plan on how to deal with its rival but what actually happens is a different story. China's trying to get rid of low-level manufacturing and move into upscale production and technology. I don't see any instability in China from this, much less repression. I see enhanced determination to improve technology and I see China successfully moving up the value chain. Should it continue to do so, it will more and more challenge the US economy in the areas that the US covets the most and in the end, result in a more powerful Chinese economy that the US has no hope of contending with. Basically, your scenario is China being bullied into a corner by the US and lashing out but what appears more likely now is China brushing off American attempts to stunt it and continuing to grow itself into an entity too powerful for anyone to even imagine bullying. Of course this is also full of assumptions and ifs but the current trends are moving more in this direction rather than the one you suggested.

manqiangrexue said:

Basically, your scenario is China being bullied into a corner by the US and lashing out but what appears more likely now is China brushing off American attempts to stunt it and continuing to grow itself into an entity too powerful for anyone to even imagine bullying. Of course this is also full of assumptions and ifs but the current trends are moving more in this direction rather than the one you suggested.

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Well, the fact that the CCP is struggling to deal with Ling Jihua could be a sign of vulnerability. When you have is a situation when corrupt officials like Ling Jihua have their own power bases in China, while their families already reside in North America and Australia. It is clear that the FBI is protecting members of the Ling Family residing in the U.S. My point is as long as corrupt CCP officials have family members and wealth in the U.S., these corrupt officials and their cronies could simply switch side and assist the FBI or CIA if Xi Jinping decides to go after these corrupt officials and their cronies. In a life-to-death political struggle, my enemy's enemy is my friend. Thus, the Ling Jihua case is an example of the CCP's vulnerability because corrupt officials who lose Xi's favor could simply become an asset for the West in dealing with China. These corrupt officials also have more than enough internal info that Western intelligence agencies need. For the FBI and CIA, these corrupt officials who switch sides are important assets in helping the former to contain Xi Jinping and his ambitions, so you could even argue that the FBI and CIA are indirectly incentivizing corrupt officials like Ling Jihua to commit treason.

Josh Luo said:

Well, the fact that the CCP ................. For the FBI and CIA, these corrupt officials who switch sides are important assets in helping the former to contain Xi Jinping and his ambitions, so you could even argue that the FBI and CIA are indirectly incentivizing corrupt officials like Ling Jihua to commit treason.

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of course, who doesn't? ... all intelligence services would encourage officials from foreign countries (especially from opposition countries) to commit treason for the benefit of the country

antiterror13 said:

of course, who doesn't? ... all intelligence services would encourage officials from foreign countries (especially from opposition countries) to commit treason for the benefit of the country

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There are no rights and wrongs. My enemy's enemy is my friend. I'm pretty sure the PRC Ministry of State Security is doing the same thing as FBI and CIA, hoping there would be an American or Taiwanese version of Ling Jihua.

Josh Luo said:

There are no rights and wrongs. My enemy's enemy is my friend. I'm pretty sure the PRC Ministry of State Security is doing the same thing as FBI and CIA, hoping there would be an American or Taiwanese version of Ling Jihua.

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I can assure you there are a lot of Americans, Taiwanese and British, etc like Ling Jihua

China is so distraught that after more than two years Beijing still hasn't changed the launch codes...?