075 LHD thread

PiSigma said:

Maybe. Still doesn't explain two ships. Until there is evidence of it, I don't believe it.

In any major project, there is a pilot/demonstration phase. Especially when billions of dollars are involved.

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At this point what we have are big shrimps saying that it is the case, with a decent base of support.

It might turn out that it isn't true or whatever, but until we receive such indications, we are left to have to come up with rational reasons why they might seek to build 2 LHDs simultaneously.



I personally feel like building 2 LHDs at first without first having operated one is ambitious, and it surprises me as well.

But the way it works is that the big shrimps give us credible rumours and we have to come up with ways in which those rumours and indications make sense.

What do you think about when the first Photos of modules will appear? Is it 2018 possible? We have satelites Photos of 055 early stage of construction i hope we will have 075 soon too.

Bltizo said:

At this point what we have are big shrimps saying that it is the case, with a decent base of support.

It might turn out that it isn't true or whatever, but until we receive such indications, we are left to have to come up with rational reasons why they might seek to build 2 LHDs simultaneously.



I personally feel like building 2 LHDs at first without first having operated one is ambitious, and it surprises me as well.

But the way it works is that the big shrimps give us credible rumours and we have to come up with ways in which those rumours and indications make sense.

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That's exactly it. The rumours don't make sense to me. Normally if the big shrimps announce something it is easy to figure out the logic behind it. In this case, I don't see it.

But we had satellite photos from Autumn no LHD ?

Daniel707 said:

Everybody in here have right to give his personal opinion, and always love that.
Because that show, many people interested in China's New Type 075 LHD (40,000 Tonnes)


But in this case, it's like

Big Shrimps and Henry.K statement VS Pissigma personal opinion

Sorry, I will still place my bet to Big shrimps and Henry.K statements

"That China right now Building 2 Type 075 LHD at the same time in their Shipyards"

Until this day, Big shrimps and Henry.K already Proof that they are very Credible members regarding new information about China's Naval Development.

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by78 said:

FYI, blue texts are for moderators only.

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Sorry, my fault.

But I don't know why I cannot edit my own post in this forum after 5 minutes.

This is not happen in other forums, Edit tools always there

Daniel707 said:

Sorry, my fault.
But I don't know why I cannot edit my own post in this forum after 5 minutes.

This is not happen in other forums, Edit tools always there

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It's a feature, not a bug

PiSigma said:

That's exactly it. The rumours don't make sense to me. Normally if the big shrimps announce something it is easy to figure out the logic behind it. In this case, I don't see it.

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I'm not sure why it is so difficult to believe.

Up to 2017 China has operated Liaoning for five years, and 071 LPDs for a decade.


The USN's first LHA class was the Tarawa class, which was their first helicopter carrier with a welldeck. Before that they operated the Iwo Jima class LPH which along with a few converted Essex class carriers were more helicopter carriers than LHA or LHD.

The USN laid down two Iwo Jima class LPHs before the first was commissioned, and laid down four Tarawa class LHAs before the first was commissioned.


I expect the Chinese Navy to have substantially experimented with using 071s as developing a basis for helicopter carriers, and of course the hull structure of an LPD like 071 with its welldeck lends itself well to forming experience needed for an LHD with a welldeck as well.
Combine that with operating Liaoning and experience in a more complex flight deck environment, as well as being able to substantially draw upon the experiences and lessons of other navies and their LHD endeavours, I can't see why it is that difficult to think the Chinese Navy's initial LHD construction schedule could be similar to that of the USN back in the 60s and 70s, when the USN itself at the time was pioneering the concept of LPHs and LHAs respectively yet still constructed multiple new ships before first trialling or testing their new ship designs.

by78 said:

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Thanks for passing the word!

Bltizo said:

I'm not sure why it is so difficult to believe.

Up to 2017 China has operated Liaoning for five years, and 071 LPDs for a decade.

The USN's first LHA class was the Tarawa class, which was their first helicopter carrier with a welldeck. Before that they operated the Iwo Jima class LPH which along with a few converted Essex class carriers were more helicopter carriers than LHA or LHD.

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Great post.

And as far as actual designation goes...that is correct. But as you say, before the Tarawa Class the US had built the first full class of large Amphibious assault ships that were designed to be such from the keel up, which you called. And they were the Iwo Jima class.

They were designed for large scale US Marine assault from the sea and from the air...but they did not (as you say) have a well deck and were thus called LPHs. Their full load displacement was about 20,000 tons and the US Navy built seven of them from 1959 to 1968 before going on to the Tarawa class.

They found that the old way of loading landing craft either with cranes and then by nets over the side was just too slow...and thus the well deck came into being for the Tarawa class, and the Iwo Jima class became pretty much pure air assault vessels.

By then the US Navy had other well deck ships in the LSD classes too.

Here's a good look at one of the Iwo Jima Class:



But the US Navy and Royal NAvy had well deck ships, with smaller helo decks in the 1950s. These ultimately developed into the current Whidbey Island class LSDs, and the ultimate San Antonio Class LPDs.

Now the new LSDs will be the same hull as the San Anotnio class and the US will build twelve of those...ultimately having 24 hulls of the San Antonio class tpe vessel, with the San Antonios being heavier and having more command capability and better air assault capability.

The new LSDs will use the same hull, but be klighter and not quite as versatile.

But having them both be the same hull will do two things

1) Make them easier to build than an all up new design.
2) MAke them easier to maintain and operate.
3) Give the US Navy a larger LSD design than they have had in the past...but they will not carry as many LCACs...at least I do not believe they will. They would have to extend the well deck significantly to do that and I just do not think that is going to be the plan.

So, ultimately the US Navy will have 10-12 LHD/LHAs, 12 LPDs, and 12 LSDs to be have 12 full ARGs, with six or seven available at all times, and up to nine perhaps in a full surge need.