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Today at 7:56 PM
... might've been an international terrorism if indeed the shooter had been in contact with ISIL:
Isil claims Las Vegas concert shooting, provides no evidence
2 October 2017 • 3:44pm
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but

"The FBI says the shooter who killed 58 people and injured more than 500 others at a Las Vegas concert had no connection to an international terrorist group.

The announcement from Special Agent in Charge Aaron Rouse at a news conference Monday comes after the Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the attack without providing evidence."

according to The Latest: FBI: Vegas shooter had no ties to terror group
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Terror groups do this from time to time. Making false claims or trying to link themselves to an Act of terror even if they have nothing to do with it.
In the modern age thanks to the Internet though they can actually inspire attacks without having trained, funded or been involved in the action in any way.
 
Yesterday at 4:24 PM
Right now the body count is over 50 confirmed dead. ...
my first thought was like, did he have a belt-fed machine-gun?!
now I've read in Internet he did (unconfirmed! official is something like
Fully automatic weapons found in gunman's hotel room in Las Vegas
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it's one of the questions I used to ask when visiting pre-WW2 bunkers:

for how many seconds they could keep firing a heavy machine gun, in one long burst?

sometimes it was difficult to even explain the question, when guys were telling me how many bullets there were in the belt ... then I asked them why did they keep spare barrels etc.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Yesterday at 4:24 PM

my first thought was like, did he have a belt-fed machine-gun?!
now I've read in Internet he did (unconfirmed! official is something like
Fully automatic weapons found in gunman's hotel room in Las Vegas
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)

it's one of the questions I used to ask when visiting pre-WW2 bunkers:

for how many seconds they could keep firing a heavy machine gun, in one long burst?

sometimes it was difficult to even explain the question, when guys were telling me how many bullets there were in the belt ... then I asked them why did they keep spare barrels etc.[/QUOTE

It has been reported that the gunman was using a bump stock to speed up the rate of fire.

This replacement shoulder stock turns a semi-automatic rifle into a weapon that can fire at a rate of 400 to 800 rounds per minute,"

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Bump firing is the act of using the
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of a
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to fire
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in rapid succession, which simulates the feeling of a
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. This process involves bracing the rifle with the non-trigger hand, releasing the grip on the firing hand (leaving the
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finger in its normal position in front of the trigger), pushing the rifle forward in order to apply pressure on the trigger from the finger, and keeping the trigger finger stationary. During a shot, the firearm will recoil ("bump" back) and the trigger will reset as it normally does; then the non-trigger hand pulls the firearm away from the body and back to the original position, pressing the trigger against the stationary finger again, thereby firing another round when the trigger is pushed back.

This technique is usually used for entertainment, as the drawback of decreased accuracy eliminates any conceivable "tactical" advantage that might be gained. However, when used in close proximity, the desired effect of many bullets hitting a target can easily be attained. Normally, a rifle is held securely and firmly against the shoulder but the loose shoulder hold that creates the rattle to rapidly depress the trigger affects accuracy that is not encountered with firearms that are designed for select-fire.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Yesterday at 4:24 PM

my first thought was like, did he have a belt-fed machine-gun?!
now I've read in Internet he did (unconfirmed! official is something like
Fully automatic weapons found in gunman's hotel room in Las Vegas
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)
The media wouldn't know an AK from a Glock.
it's one of the questions I used to ask when visiting pre-WW2 bunkers:

for how many seconds they could keep firing a heavy machine gun, in one long burst?
depends on the barrels. but normally anything more than a hundred rounds is considered stupid. Most burst are far shorter and the only reason some one would normally do long bursts is for demonstrations or airborne fire as it will overheat the weapon and potentially cook the heat treat if not start cooking off ammo.
This guy though did not care he was just emptying the weapon.
sometimes it was difficult to even explain the question, when guys were telling me how many bullets there were in the belt ... then I asked them why did they keep spare barrels etc.
each shot wears the barrel rifling causing erosion which leads to loss of accuracy.
but continuous fire also increases the heating of the barrel and weapon. Now military weapons have been heat treated but if you heat the metal hot enough the metal will lose it's heat treat, that is that the metal will undergo a change in it's structure and become brittle no longer able to withstand the same pressures as originally spec'd it will fail liley in a catastrophic manner IE the barrel will burst.

From what I have picked up he had a number of weapons (23) but.
1st despite claims to the contrary Machine guns are heavily regulated in the US. requiring ATF stamps and regulation.
2nd The claim of a belt fed automatic weapon has my attention because, no civilian has direct access to those, there is no function for them other than military. There are Belt fed semiautomatic weapons on the market. but they operate differently than military ones.
3 if it was a bump fire then it was a not a purpose built machine gun. Bump fire is a device that frankly IMO should never have been invented. I have no issue with wanting or offering a semiautomatic weapon that looks like military issue. but bumpfire doesn't even do that. It's basically nothing more than a middle finger to the ATF.

It has been reported that the gunman was using a bump stock to speed up the rate of fire.

This replacement shoulder stock turns a semi-automatic rifle into a weapon that can fire at a rate of 400 to 800 rounds per minute,"
First 400-800 Rounds per Minute is the rate of fire mechanically capable for an AR15 Or AKM, however neither semiautomatic nor military weapons ever actually fire 400-800 Rounds in a minute. it's theoretical. in theory if they had super speed a human shooter without bump fire or a automatic sear could fire at those rates of fire.

given this I suspect that what he had was a modified AR 15 with a belt fed upper receiver and a bump fire stock allowing selective fire.
Bump fire is a device created specifically to weasel a way around the Automatic weapons ban, It's a replacement stock for a weapon that has a buffer system. when the rifle recoils it slides or "Bumps" inside the buffer of the stock there by acting like a second bolt allowing the weapon to cycle back away from the trigger finger allowing the trigger to reset and then as the system resets it pushes the rifle forward into the waiting trigger finger thereby simulating full automatic fire.
This mother... This was premeditated all the way through.
 

SampanViking

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You know, something about this does not seem right.
They authorities have been unable to find a motive. While the suspect had bought some guns legally, they were nothing like the weapons used. The Japanese lady was only reported as a person of interest, as her details seem to have been used to book the room.
Most critically, the suspect was found dead when the Police entered the Hotel room, so nobody actually saw him firing a weapon. Police entered some 15 - 30 minutes after the shooting started, which itself only lasted for a few minutes (or so I understand).
A very large amount of ammunition seems to have been expended very quickly and from two position in the room in that time.
I do question whether the ability to define time of death is fine enough to identify a time of less than 30 minutes?

I obviously am in no position to say anything definitively, but were I in authority in the states, I would be concerned that given the strange anomalies and loose ends in this matter, that there may be a real terrorist still out there, who has very cleverly so far covered his tracks!
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The media has contradicted itself many times already with this incident. I wouldn't go by anything they've reported. Even the "witnesses" I find suspect as in being attention seekers. One guy said his friend was shot three times in the chest. At that distance at that angle with fully automatic fire, that sounds odd he got shot three times in the same area of the body.
 

delft

Brigadier
You know, something about this does not seem right.
They authorities have been unable to find a motive. While the suspect had bought some guns legally, they were nothing like the weapons used. The Japanese lady was only reported as a person of interest, as her details seem to have been used to book the room.
Most critically, the suspect was found dead when the Police entered the Hotel room, so nobody actually saw him firing a weapon. Police entered some 15 - 30 minutes after the shooting started, which itself only lasted for a few minutes (or so I understand).
A very large amount of ammunition seems to have been expended very quickly and from two position in the room in that time.
I do question whether the ability to define time of death is fine enough to identify a time of less than 30 minutes?

I obviously am in no position to say anything definitively, but were I in authority in the states, I would be concerned that given the strange anomalies and loose ends in this matter, that there may be a real terrorist still out there, who has very cleverly so far covered his tracks!
I heard from a radio news program ( which? ) this morning that the police found the room from which the firing happened from the smoke alarm and that it took them more than an hour from the end of the firing before they entered the room.
I accept that no information is as yet really reliable. But it looks like the man might have been killed before the firing started. There is plenty opportunity for less and more bizarre theories.
 
... depends on the barrels. ...
hey TE I knew you'd know the answer, don't mean to clog this thread with 80 years old stuff, but it's kinda connected to what SampanViking posted above (my picture, but not my gear as I have no gun!
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while a 1938 machine-gunner would had been able to empty the belt in about twenty-seconds burst if everything had worked perfectly, he was trained to actually shoot as SHORT bursts as possible; in addition to what TE said about accuracy, barrel wear etc., the factor was the amount of ammo in a bunker: the default was five-thousand bullets per gun for the theoretical up to five days ... the point is the LV shooter had to have some incredible technology
 
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