075 LHD thread

Blitzo

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If by "that model" you mean the "export" model from CSIC, I have not made any statements to the effect that that model has any kind of association with the "real" 075, only that I think its 4-corner sponson arrangement is superior for firing arc coverage compared to the latest mockup.

By "that model" I was talking about the one with VLS, the one that mwyrum quoted in #454

The first sentence of that reply was directed to to your post, where you called the model with VLS as the "current model," and it was to clarify that it wasn't exactly a new picture.


The second part of that reply was more general, intended to clarify to everyone that that model also most probably is not (for a) real (design). Or at the very least there's no reason to think that model is accurately representative of 075.
 

asif iqbal

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China needs 3 x LHA

A single ARG consists of 1 x Type 075, 2 x Type 071 and 1 x LSD

Good amphibious ready group

Air wing, land component and logistics

In my opinion China should issue a tender for a new large LSD design
 

Iron Man

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China needs 3 x LHA

A single ARG consists of 1 x Type 075, 2 x Type 071 and 1 x LSD

Good amphibious ready group

Air wing, land component and logistics

In my opinion China should issue a tender for a new large LSD design
Just because a USN ARG consists of LHD/LPD/LSD doesn't mean the PLAN has to follow suit. The PLAN doesn't even have an LSD, but it has plenty of (larger and more capable) LPDs which are more than sufficient for 3 full ARGs. Instead of wasting money by designing a brand new LSD from scratch, the far easier and sensible thing to do is form an ARG around 1 Type 075 LHD and 2 Type 071 LPDs.
 

jobjed

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Just because a USN ARG consists of LHD/LPD/LSD doesn't mean the PLAN has to follow suit. The PLAN doesn't even have an LSD, but it has plenty of (larger and more capable) LPDs which are more than sufficient for 3 full ARGs. Instead of wasting money by designing a brand new LSD from scratch, the far easier and sensible thing to do is form an ARG around 1 Type 075 LHD and 2 Type 071 LPDs.

Reading up on LSDs and LPDs, I'm wondering why the Type 071 was called an LPD in the first place. The difference between a US LPD and LSD is that the former has a smaller well-deck and carries more troops whereas LSDs carry more landing craft. Since the 071's well-deck takes up more than 2/3 of the ship's length and carries 4 Type 726s, would it not be more fitting to call them LSDs?
 
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Iron Man

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Reading up on LSDs and LPDs, I'm wondering why the Type 071 was called an LPD in the first place. The difference between a US LPD and LSD is that the former has a smaller well-deck and carries more troops whereas LSDs carry more landing craft. Since the 071's well-deck takes up more than 2/3 of the ship's length and carries 4 Type 726s, would it not be more fitting to call them LSDs?
What distinguishes an LSD from an LPD is that the former (usually) lacks helicopter hangars. Also, the Harpers Ferry class LSD can only carry 2 LCACs, which is the same as the San Antonio LPD. Both the USN's Harpers Ferry class and the Whidbey Island class, as well as the British Bay class, Brazilian Thomaston class, and ROC Anchorage class, all lack hangars; all they have is helicopter landing pads. LSDs typically carry more heavy equipment (trucks, tanks, artillery, machinery, etc.) and less troops, and LPDs typically carry more troops and less heavy equipment. With the 071 this distinction is less necessary because it carriers 4 ACVs in addition to hangar facilities, and could easily be hauling heavy equipment to shore with any or all of its ACVs while simultaneously using its 4 helos to land troops and employing its side doors to launch swimming IFVs and tanks. That's why it is really not needed for the PLAN design a brand new LSD design to complete a PLAN ARG when they can simply use two 071 LPDs instead (4 of which are already commissioned, I believe). The 071's only tradeoff with the San Antonio is obviously less room for vehicles and troops overall given that much of its internal space is dedicated to the well deck (~57% not 2/3, BTW).
 

asif iqbal

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Logistics component is carried by LSD which doesn't require large well deck

LPD carries the ground component which needs to reach shore which is why you need a large well deck

They could easily optimise the Type 071 hull to build a LSD design

Using LPD would not be a good use of resources and could be better used to carry the ground equipment
 

Iron Man

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Logistics component is carried by LSD which doesn't require large well deck

LPD carries the ground component which needs to reach shore which is why you need a large well deck

They could easily optimise the Type 071 hull to build a LSD design

Using LPD would not be a good use of resources and could be better used to carry the ground equipment
And yet the Whidbey Island LSD has enough well deck to fit 4 LCACs. So it's not really a matter of the size of the well deck. The question is, is it worth the PLAN's while to separately design an LSD when they don't already have one, or can they just load a second 071 with more equipment and less troops/IFVs/tanks? IIRC they are planning to build 6 071s. That seems to be a perfect fit for 3 ARGs. I seriously doubt they are going to build 6 ARGs AND design a new LSD class to round out those ARGs.
 

Jeff Head

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And yet the Whidbey Island LSD has enough well deck to fit 4 LCACs. So it's not really a matter of the size of the well deck. The question is, is it worth the PLAN's while to separately design an LSD when they don't already have one, or can they just load a second 071 with more equipment and less troops/IFVs/tanks? IIRC they are planning to build 6 071s. That seems to be a perfect fit for 3 ARGs. I seriously doubt they are going to build 6 ARGs AND design a new LSD class to round out those ARGs.
..besides, in most ases, they have already been working things out with their Type 072A LSTs with their Type 071 LPDs.

Two LPD and four LSTs would make for a good PLAN ARG.

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They have 15 of these newer Type 072A and 17 of the earlier class that displace a few hundred tons less. Each of these is nearly 5,000 tons.

So, as I say, 2 x LPD and 4 x LST, with escorts will make a nice PLAN ARG...and they have already exercised quite a bit together.

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