Europe Refugee Crisis

People outside the West tend to have a utopian view of it. They don't seem to realise we have our own problems too, and often get homesick once reality has sunk in. I tried to show one of my Chinese friends a documentary from a very reputable source about Chinese girls (mainland, HK, and Taiwan) who are tricked into coming to Australia to learn English, or get a good job, only to be forced into sexual slavery when they get here. She wouldn't believe such things happen here. She's innocent enough to fall for something like this.

Innocent or ignorant? While I understand the allure of the grass being greener on the other side I don't have much sympathy for those who choose to explore without a healthy dose of caution, skepticism, and preparedness. Given that there is a lot of misinformation and exploitation for various reasons to nudge the innocent and ignorant in the wrong direction.

A group of 20 refugees in Austria put on hunger strikes, demanding for 2000 euros of spending money a month. :rolleyes:

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There was an old Chinese saying "Pitiful appearing people must have a side worth despising". I though that was quite harsh, but maybe they were referring to this type of situation?

These guys look able-bodied. They are not even skinny.

Multiple posts ago I had raised the perspective of how many such refugees are greedy cowards, glad to hear that they are showing their true colors and such acts are being reported on. Once again though, there is a lot of misinformation and exploitation for various reasons to nudge the greedy and cowardly, as with the innocent and ignorant, in the wrong direction.
 

Qi_1528

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Innocent or ignorant?

Both I suspect... unfortunately. She's still a kid basically. I've tried to do the big brother thing, and wise her up to some of the potential dangers she could face. Part of the problem is that the streets are relatively safe in China. A girl can walk at night without needing to worry too much in most places from what I understand. I, as a 6 ft 3 tall guy, won't go walking after 8pm without my big security guard torch.

Back on topic. What I want to see is more assistance with re/development. We won't have so many people trying to escape if we tolerate strong and preferably inclusive governments, even if don't particularly like them (like Iran's) with the funds to create a decent life for the average Ali.
 

delft

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You mean that people in Iraq or Syria during the war have better life standard than you? That medias created that? I'm asking because I can't understand your logic. You mean like it's better to live in Bangladesh or Angola instead of Netherlands? And it's an image created by the mysterious 'West'? Because it looks like that.
No, but your next paragraph is better
Better life standard isn't an image created by media but by those who work hard everyday in many European countries for centuries. And many 'refugees' think that's a given once you're there. But we all know that you have to work hard for that being born here as well. That's because most of them can't work hard and want some social welfare share for themselves. And for many of them an idea of hard work is something that doesn't exist in their native societies.
The image given is more rose tinted than is warranted. besides the wealth of Western countries accumulated over the centuries was partly by means that weren't honourable. Two points:
* During the Dutch Golden Age, about two third of the seventeenth century, ordinary people were less well fed and shorter than their ancestors a century earlier
* Much wealth was plundered from the colonies. For the Netherlands that was mostly what is now Indonesia, but also Surinam and until about 1800 Sri Lanka and South Africa. Also don't forget the Dutch role in the Atlantic slave trade.
As for hard work in their native societies - are they fed well enough to go that?
 

Zool

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A good example of why, like in most cases, it is a good idea not to paint everyone with the same brush. Not all refugees arriving in Austria are complaining:

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18:17 24.09.2015(updated 18:19 24.09.2015) Get short URL
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A group of Syrians who found refuge in Austria are organizing a peace march in central Vienna on Monday to show their appreciation for the warm welcome they have received in the country, according to the event’s page on Facebook.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — According to the organizers, through the march they “aim at being a tough wall in the face of hatred, hostility and racism” and “thank all Austrians and all helpers from different nationalities who stood by our side regardless of our religious, culture or ethnic background.”

“On behalf of Refugees, we call everyone to kindly participate in a march to express our gratitude to Austria under the slogan ‘Thank you Austria,’” the invitation to the event reads.

Over 1,100 people have already agreed to attend the march that is scheduled to start at 6 p.m. local time (16:00 GMT).

Austria is one of several EU countries faced with a massive refugee crisis, as thousands of people flee conflict-torn regions, predominately in the Middle East and North Africa, seeking asylum in the European Union.
 

Broccoli

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Hilarious stuff...
Tornio (Finland) (AFP) - Hundreds of predominantly Iraqi migrants who have travelled through Europe to reach Finland are turning back, saying they don't want to stay in the sparsely-populated country on Europe's northern frontier because it's too cold and boring.

Migrants have in recent weeks been crossing back into Sweden at the Haparanda-Tornio border just an hour's drive south of the Arctic Circle, and Finnish authorities have seen a rise in the number of cancelled asylum applications.

"You can tell the world I hate Finland. It's too cold, there's no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars," 22-year-old Muhammed told AFP in Tornio, as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit) on a recent blustery grey day.
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AssassinsMace

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People outside the West tend to have a utopian view of it. They don't seem to realise we have our own problems too, and often get homesick once reality has sunk in. I tried to show one of my Chinese friends a documentary from a very reputable source about Chinese girls (mainland, HK, and Taiwan) who are tricked into coming to Australia to learn English, or get a good job, only to be forced into sexual slavery when they get here. She wouldn't believe such things happen here. She's innocent enough to fall for something like this.

That's because outside the West the information learned about the West is mostly from movies and TV shows.
 
Have you heard of the northernmost way the migrants are taking? (I put one sentence in boldface)
Avoiding Risky Seas, Migrants Reach Europe With an Arctic Bike Ride
Pelted by hailstones and buffeted by an icy wind, Yasir Arslanuk, a 55-year-old Syrian engineer, his wife and two young sons wobbled across the border from
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into
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astride bicycles last week, the latest migrants to complete an improbable new route to Europe.

This Norwegian outpost, 250 miles north of the Arctic Circle, is hardly
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, an Italian island where migrants coming on rickety boats across the Mediterranean from Libya often land, or Lesbos, a Greek island that has become
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for refugees coming by rubber raft from Turkey.

But in recent months, refugees from places like
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, Iraq and Afghanistan have started to flow in growing numbers through
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into the northernmost reaches of Europe, making this remote crossing an increasingly popular back door for people fleeing war and persecution, or simply looking for a better life. Speaking to center-right members of the European Parliament on Wednesday, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany cited the Arctic crossing into
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as evidence of how refugees will carve out “the most mind-boggling” alternatives if governments try to close off the traditional paths through southern and central Europe.

The trip, Mr. Arslanuk said after dismounting his bike and seeking shelter in a heated orange tent on the Norwegian side of the border, “is better than going by sea,” the hazardous option chosen by most of the more than half a million
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so far this year.

After just a handful of migrant crossings here in the first half of this year, the number “exploded” in September, with 420 asylum seekers pedaling into northern Norway at Storskog, said Stein Kristian Hansen, the police superintendent in charge of the Norwegian border post. So far this week, 263 arrived via the Arctic route — a tiny number compared to the thousands arriving daily in Greece and Italy, but a record here.

Many of the arrivals, Mr. Hansen said, seemed to have little idea where they were exactly and had bought no warm clothes. But, encouraged by a flurry of reports on social media about how well Norway treats refugees, they rushed through Russia to reach Europe’s northernmost frontier. It is not snowing here yet, but temperatures have already dipped close to freezing.

“The next stop is the North Pole,” Mr. Hansen said of the outpost’s remoteness.


Some of them, including Mr. Arslanuk, are Russian-speaking Syrians who were already living in Russia and see the border with Norway as a path to a better life at a time when Syrian citizenship generally confers refugee status in Europe. Others, having heard of the new route into Europe, are traveling through Russia to the border rather than taking the more established but riskier paths.

A 21-year-old Syrian woman who gave only her first name, Dana, said her father, mother and brother had made it to Germany this summer through the Balkans and had sent horrific reports of their journey to Greece from Turkey. The Arctic, she decided, was easier.

Word of the Norwegian route has spread so far and fast via social media that some Syrian refugees in Lebanon are now trying to get visas to Russia in hopes of getting to this Arctic border post, according to migrants with friends and family in Lebanon.

For those who make it, the oddity of the route continues to the very end. A Russian ban on pedestrian traffic across the border at Storskog, and Norwegian threats to prosecute motorists who give rides to people without visas, mean that migrants, even young children and the infirm, have to use bicycles to complete the last few dozen yards of an exodus that in some cases began thousands of miles away.

Once in Russia, it costs migrants only a few hundred dollars to secure transportation to the border and a bicycle, far less than the more than $1,500 that Turkish smugglers often charge to ferry migrants across the Aegean Sea to Greece.

The bicycle-borne flow into Norway underscores not only the dogged determination of migrants but also Russia’s curious role in helping to drain the population from
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, a country that President Vladimir V. Putin views as a vital ally and whose leader, Bashar al-Assad, he is now helping with bombing raids against the opposition.

“Putin loves Assad and Assad loves Putin, but neither of them like Syrians,” Mr. Arslanuk said, adding that he had nothing but disgust for both the government in Damascus and
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. Refugees say guards on the Russian side of the border sometimes ask Syrians why they do not return home and support Mr. Assad, but they then wave them on down a narrow road toward Norway and inform their Norwegian colleagues by telephone that another group without visas is about to arrive.

“They call us ‘blacks’ and just want us to leave,” said Valid Jumaleizu, 35, a Syrian who worked for a time in Russia sewing clothes but could not earn enough to support his family in Aleppo and decided Europe offered better prospects.

In 2014, only five people crossed the frontier here from Russia seeking asylum, said Mr. Hansen, the border police chief. So far this year, more than 600 — 78 percent of them from Syria, or at least claiming to be from there — have done so.

A booming business has now grown on the Russian side of the border to help and profit from the flow. Taxis and minibuses ferry migrants from Murmansk, the northern Russian city to which most migrants heading north travel by plane or train, to Nikel, a Russian town near the border with Norway where many migrants buy their bicycles.

Nikel, according to a Norwegian police officer who asked not to be identified, now has hundreds of Syrians and others waiting to make a final push into Norway here at Storskog.

When the first Syrians, a group of six, arrived from Russia in February to claim asylum, they were all taken to the nearby town of Kirkenes and, after a night at government expense in an upscale hotel with sea-view rooms, flown to Oslo, Norway’s capital, to have their applications processed. Reports of how well Norway treated asylum seekers spread rapidly on social media and by word of mouth.

Last week’s arrivals included a pair from Gambia, a poor but peaceful country in West Africa.

“Maybe we gave the wrong picture in the beginning,” Mr. Hansen said, adding that some migrants with weak claims to asylum “are taking advantage of the situation” to enter Norway, which is not a member of the European Union but does belong to the 26-nation Schengen area allowing visa-free travel. “We are not a travel agency,” he said.

After the surge of migrants in September, the authorities stopped trying to move everyone to Oslo and turned a bomb shelter and sports hall in Kirkenes into a transit center.

“We are talking about maybe 50 people coming across every day into one of the richest countries in the world. We should be able to handle this,” said Cecilie Hansen, the mayor of Kirkenes. She noted that her town, which housed refugees from the Balkans in the same bomb shelter during war in Kosovo in the late 1990s, has a history of welcoming foreigners.

But the welcome mat is already fraying as the flow of migrants across the border keeps increasing. On Friday, 100 asylum seekers crossed into Norway from Russia at Storskog, a record for a single day that added to a growing pile of seized bikes behind the office of the Norwegian customs service. Norwegian police confiscate the migrants’ bicycles, which are mostly Russian-made, because they do not meet local safety standards. Migrants are then taken into Kirkenes by bus.

The 150 beds available at the Kirkenes transit center, a man-made cave burrowed into a mountain, are now all full, straining a reception system that gets financial support from Oslo but still puts a burden on the remote port and mining town of 10,200.

“Logistics have been much tougher than we expected,” Ms. Hansen said.

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What prompted me to post this article wasn't so much the article itself, but the comments.

The amount of fear, hatred, and naked bigotry in those comments targeted against Muslims just fills me with revulsion. These people are convinced that all Muslims are determined to promote Sharia law, engage in terrorism, and destroy our country. It's an ugly remind that for all our vaunted "progress", people really haven't changed since the days of the Chinese head tax!

Are there extremists among the refugees? Are there ISIS supporters or even recruiters among them? Yes, most probably, and they're about as dangerous as the drug-dealers, gangbangers, and psychopaths that we already live with every day! It's the job of our law enforcement to be on top of these things.

This is what happens when we have a government that continuously fanned the flames of Islamophobia for 10 years. It makes the bigots in our society believe that their hatred and venom is socially acceptable.
 
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