Why "the West" gets China wrong

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AssassinsMace

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Watch it while you can because the band is removing this video soon but "not now" because of death threats. Yeah, they're the real victims now.

[video=youtube;Y0zlkB-s_Vk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0zlkB-s_Vk[/video]

The band members say it's not racist because they expressing their love for Asian women. Yeah what happened if Asian women had penises? Once they don't personally serve you, you don't like them as much. Also they're not racist because one of their band members is Indonesian. So I guess that makes the Holocaust okay because there were Jewish collaborators who helped the Nazis.
 

Rising China

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what can you expect from white people?

Watch it while you can because the band is removing this video soon but "not now" because of death threats. Yeah, they're the real victims now.

[video=youtube;Y0zlkB-s_Vk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0zlkB-s_Vk[/video]

The band members say it's not racist because they expressing their love for Asian women. Yeah what happened if Asian women had penises? Once they don't personally serve you, you don't like them as much. Also they're not racist because one of their band members is Indonesian. So I guess that makes the Holocaust okay because there were Jewish collaborators who helped the Nazis.
 

Blitzo

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^ Responding to racism with racism doesn't make us better than them.
 

pissybits

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Agreed. This brings me to another Western myth on China, that the communist government has to keep up the strong economic growth in order to keep their legitimacy.

This is simply wrong. The CCP's legitimacy depends on giving Chinese people good living standards. That is different from economic growth.

Deng's market reforms worked on the principle of letting a portion of the country become rich first. However, this was just a means to an end. This principle allowed rapid economic growth at the price of social upheavals due to the large wealth gap. Now that China's economy has grown strong enough, Xi's government is enacting the second part of the plan: leverage this wealth to improve the lives of the very poor in China.

This might mean a slower GDP growth, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Far from it in fact.

You're right about where the CCP today derives its legitimacy, but I think that if the Chinese government wishes to keep on raising the living standard in China, they're inevitably going to need to find a better basis than investment led growth and focusing on exports. In fact, the recent news about slowing growth in China only proves that weak demand overseas and rising standards in China mean that the investment led growth pioneered by Deng is no longer sustainable.

For 30 years, enough wealth has trickled down from this strategy of investment led growth and "letting some people get rich first" that China has been able to improve its living standard across the board. However now that this is no longer possible, they must shift the economy toward domestic consumption (by freeing up financial capital to small enterprises, making lending easier, etc) and let the rest of society get richer.

These 30 years saw the rise of a political elite that are addicted to Deng's investment led growth simply because it allows them huge profits and graft. These economic/political elites have monopolized power and industry in ways that benefit themselves and their cronies first and foremost while relaying the cost to the average Chinese citizen. (state owned banks give out loans at negative interest rate to sham/unprofitable but connected companies) This means that massive cutbacks are taken directly from funds earmarked for development or investment, and the people end up having to foot the bill as they simply print more money, make lending extremely difficult to small/private enterprises, and suppress wage growth- serving a secondary function of keeping the Yuan low and exports competitive.

Until now, the huge inefficiency arising from this type of corruption could be tolerated because on an aggregate level, there was still enough capital being generated (via export revenues and foreign direct investment) to raise living standards. The credit crunch around the globe means that the political elite can no longer afford this type of corruption at the core of business and still be able to pay out increasing (if diminished) dividends to the average worker. However to reform the market is not so easy, because growing the domestic market entails freeing up lending and reforming property rights and above all, laws to regulate accountable business practices. Those same political elites that have monopolized industry and power are reluctant to make such changes because:

1. They can no longer line their own pockets and the pockets of their cronies as easily.

2. Their relative power becomes diminished when capital flows more freely and the private sector becomes more powerful.

If the Chinese economy can truly make such a transition, we will inevitably see a more just and transparent society (to enable it) and more pluralism in the political landscape (the result of more capital in the hands of small enterprises and the private sector) China's conundrum is that in order to facilitate such a change, the guys who have all the aces now have to give some away, and they (understandably) really don't want to.

PS- Freeing up lending and growing the domestic consumer economy means that they need to make sure that property rights and business standards are enforced at the lower levels, Chinese courts as of now are under the control of the CCP which means that their decisions on many matters (especially business) are inherently politically motivated and thus cannot be impartial.
Say what you will about whether electoral politics are good for China, (maybe not at this stage is my own thought)
I contend to the death that a free and independent judiciary is a MUST for any just society, but sadly this is part of the conundrum of the people in charge not wanting to give up some power and not wanting to be held accountable for their actions.
 

pissybits

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Watch it while you can because the band is removing this video soon but "not now" because of death threats. Yeah, they're the real victims now.

[video=youtube;Y0zlkB-s_Vk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0zlkB-s_Vk[/video]

The band members say it's not racist because they expressing their love for Asian women. Yeah what happened if Asian women had penises? Once they don't personally serve you, you don't like them as much. Also they're not racist because one of their band members is Indonesian. So I guess that makes the Holocaust okay because there were Jewish collaborators who helped the Nazis.


LOL it's maybe in poor taste and reinforces certain stereotypes but I don't think the band was actually trying to be racist. They're just trying to capitalize on how a lot of white people feel about Asian chicks while reducing culture to mere stereotypes because they don't really understand or care about it in the first place.

But then again, as a Chinese male, it still kind of pisses me off because these a**holes have made a song specifically about banging women of my ethnicity. But that's just the male animal instinct I guess ahaha.
 

advill

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This band is disgusting and so are the lyrics of the song. The impression given is that the band members looked sex-starved and are definitely immature. They completely lack the understanding of Asian Culture. However, it would be unfair to generalize that all Westerners are like them. There are many people in both the West and in Asia with common sense realize and avoid references to Race and Religious beliefs, as they can cause very serious problems.


what can you expect from white people?
 

Equation

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LOL it's maybe in poor taste and reinforces certain stereotypes but I don't think the band was actually trying to be racist. They're just trying to capitalize on how a lot of white people feel about Asian chicks while reducing culture to mere stereotypes because they don't really understand or care about it in the first place.

But then again, as a Chinese male, it still kind of pisses me off because these a**holes have made a song specifically about banging women of my ethnicity. But that's just the male animal instinct I guess ahaha.

What gets me is there is someone willing to produce and endorse not only this band's song but video as well.
 

pissybits

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What gets me is there is someone willing to produce and endorse not only this band's song but video as well.

haha i think the video's the only redeeming quality if i had to pick one.. you can't release a sh*tty song and expect it to get any hits online if you didn't have a video with hot asian girls in it.
 

Franklin

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Watch it while you can because the band is removing this video soon but "not now" because of death threats. Yeah, they're the real victims now.

[video=youtube;Y0zlkB-s_Vk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0zlkB-s_Vk[/video]

The band members say it's not racist because they expressing their love for Asian women. Yeah what happened if Asian women had penises? Once they don't personally serve you, you don't like them as much. Also they're not racist because one of their band members is Indonesian. So I guess that makes the Holocaust okay because there were Jewish collaborators who helped the Nazis.

Going by the girls name she seems to be Vietnamese rather than Chinese. And the song is about Asians and not specifically about Chinese. I understand that some people will find this video and song offensive. Although i don't think that the band is intensionally being racist.

PS this is the girls Youtube channel if you are interested.;)

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