PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Someone in the west will always find fault or sinister motives in anything China does, and the western mainstream media will always give such people airtime. There is no point trying to please such people.

China will do what is in her best interest and if you don't like it, lump it.

Building a blue water navy is imperative for a major trading power like China because while its cost effective to have the Americans patrol your trading lanes, that kind of support could hardly be relied upon, especially in times of tension or conflict.

What more, as China develops, China has more interests abroad and more and more of its citizens are working and living in far away countries. Many of which are not what you would call stable, and in some countries, there are those who use China as a target to refocus public anger away from domestic troubles.

If one of those countries does suffer a coup or implodes into civil war, a powerful navy could be used to evacuate Chinese nationals or persuade a new government its not a good idea to tear up the agreements of its predecessor and seize Chinese holdings.

Then there is the direct economic benefit from having a large navy - jobs. Building warships is just like building infrastructure. It keeps large numbers of people employed during the economic slump and boosts the economy as those people have jobs and are more ready and able to spend, and that in turn helps to save more jobs in the local economy, a classic snowball effect.

Also, shipbuilding is a very specialized skill. If naval orders keeps a shipyard's books full then they can keep all their highly trained workers and continue with investment programmes on new and improved machines and facilities so that when commercial demand picks up again, the Chinese yards will be in a much better shape then competitors who have had to sack workers (who can't be replaced easily and quickly if you need people with those skills again) and cut back on investments.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I completely agree that China should have a blue water navy; that I irrevocably support.

The bone I was picking was the reasons why the PLAN should be blue water, some of which I disagreed with.

Whichever way China takes, its going to have its critics, it can use it to do good, or for bullying, that's up for China's leaders to decide.
 

rhino123

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Hijacked Chinese bulk carrier "De Xin Hai" rescued. It also appears that a $3.5-$4m ransom was paid.

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I don't understand... if ransom was paid, then it was not called rescue... it was call the hijackers release the chinese bulk carrier. If any mission, such as sending in of commandoes or special forces to take the ship by force and return it to the occean with the survival of the crew... then it is call rescue.
 

rhino123

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

After googling... it seemed that the ship de-xin-hai was not 'rescued' as was reported by xinhua news. It was release by the somalia pirates after ransom was received.

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joshuatree

Captain
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I just showed you evidence that when people say "blue water navy", they usually mean carriers. If you think blue water navy doesn't require carriers, that's fine, but it still doesn't change my assertion that China doesn't need to spend billions of dollars to achieve naval power projection for economic reasons.



Hmmm... really? Was China unable to participate in Somalian coastal patrols? It doesn't look like China is currently "helpless" in that regard, so where's the need for further expansion?

As for "evacuating citizens", are you honestly telling me with a straight face that this can only be achieved by a blue-water navy?


What evidence? A quote from Wikipedia which in itself is not a definitive source and which also says status is disputed. How is that evidence that blue water means carriers? The same Wikipedia article about blue water navies continues to define several navies without carriers as limited blue water navies. If you feel the need to have the "last say", go for it. Doesn't change my assertion either with such faulty backing. Doesn't change the fact that navies before the invention of carriers were sailing the deep blue waters protecting their trade routes, assets, and interests.

You're arguing in circles. Every ship China has sent to the conduct anti-piracy patrols off Somalia has been a ship built during this rapid naval buildup. It is this very expansion that has provided the capability. Ships have wear and tear like anything else, adding a few more frigates will enable sustained tempo of operations.

No, evacuations can take many forms. But take a look at the 2006 Lebanon War. Naval ships played a significant role in evacuation.
 

rhino123

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I felt comply to agree with joshuatree up to a certain extend. You don't really need carriers to be a true blue water navy. The term blue water navy is really not very complicated, it is just a navy capable to operating for an extended period of time in the sea far away from shore.

However you would need a carrier to be a true threat to most other nations. Because you could basically bring a number of attack aircrafts and helicopters in your operation against other nations who would mainly defend herself with shipborne weapons.

China needed a carrier mainly for power projection, to gain first strike capability and to bring any war further away from the mainland. Finally she needed carriers for deterrence because you cannot keep showing off your missiles and submarines are something that cannot be seen and so has less of a impact psychologically.

However when it came to anti-piracy... you certainly do not need carriers. For rescuing and evacuation of your citizens, you might want LHD more... especially helicopter carriers.

As to the needs of building more frigates, well... it might be needed, mostly to replace old and obsolete frigates... but I am thinking alone the line of building more destroyers, rather than the smaller frigates.
 

UCSDAE

New Member
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Don't know if you guys heard the news, but an retired admiral threw the idea of oversea supply base out there, and it's garnering some interests? what do you gentlemen think?

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bd popeye

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Eventually some day the PLAN will have overseas bases.. The east coast of Africa would be a good place to start. Perhaps Pakistan.
 

SampanViking

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Gwadar does suggest itself for several obvious reasons.

This could develop to be come a regional supply base for closer forward supply base such as Port Sudan.
 
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