PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

[bladerunner]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Also, you didn't answer anything. You came up with some scenarios, which I have rebutted.

Indeed, it would be utterly laughable to argue that China needs to spend billions of dollars so that its navy can conduct anti-piracy patrols and evacuate its citizens from hostile nations.

China should have a navy thats capable of protecting it's economic interests, such as trade routes used by her merchant marine, a task largely undertaken by the US Navy.
If I remember correctly China wasnt able to give the necessary aid required to the countries that were devastated by the Tsunami because she didnt have any suitable ships that were up to the task.. Even India was able to do more.

 

[solarz]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

China should have a navy thats capable of protecting it's economic interests, such as trade routes used by her merchant marine, a task largely undertaken by the US Navy.
If I remember correctly China wasnt able to give the necessary aid required to the countries that were devastated by the Tsunami because she didnt have any suitable ships that were up to the task.. Even India was able to do more.

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[bladerunner]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

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The Asian Tsunami 5or so yrs ago, The Indian Navy had the right type of Ships that could be used to deliver aid, the Chinese navy didnt. It was a point talked about by some Western Commentaters.

2/ Up to now,Its been the American Navy that patrols the Trade routes at her own expense, IMO an Aspiring world power like China should be prepared to contribute more in that direction, instead of freeloading off the West. and to do this it probably needs a truely bluewater navy with several carriers

 

[solarz]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

The Asian Tsunami 5or so yrs ago, The Indian Navy had the right type of Ships that could be used to deliver aid, the Chinese navy didnt. It was a point talked about by some Western Commentaters.

2/ Up to now,Its been the American Navy that patrols the Trade routes at her own expense, IMO an Aspiring world power like China should be prepared to contribute more in that direction, instead of freeloading off the West. and to do this it probably needs a truely bluewater navy with several carriers

1. Wasn't India one of the recipients of Tsunami aid? Why would China need a blue water navy to deliver aid to Bangladesh?

2. Again, I fail to see how that would benefit the Chinese economy. Some people might resent other nations "freeloading" off US Navy patrolling trade routes, but unless WW3 is on the horizon, I don't see why China would want to spend money and manpower on doing something that's already been done by someone else.

 

[rhino123]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

2/ Up to now,Its been the American Navy that patrols the Trade routes at her own expense, IMO an Aspiring world power like China should be prepared to contribute more in that direction, instead of freeloading off the West. and to do this it probably needs a truely bluewater navy with several carriers

Basically, do you really think that the American or the Western navy would free willingly patrol the trade routes at their own expense with nothing in return?

Not to be an ingrate, but I do believe that all nations in this world did something that will benefit their country... be it economically or otherwise. The trade routes needed to be patrolled and protected, because there are western merchants using these routes too, the chinese or all eastern merchant merely benefits from this.

So with that theory no one is freeloading each other. there are mutual benefits for all the countries involved.

 

[bladerunner]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Not to be an ingrate, but I do believe that all nations in this world did something that will benefit their country... be it economically or otherwise. The trade routes needed to be patrolled and protected, because there are western merchants using these routes too, the chinese or all eastern merchant merely benefits from this.

So with that theory no one is freeloading each other. there are mutual benefits for all the countries involved.

Those are valid points,but Western critics suggest China should be prepared to do morein terms of active participation, after all its not short of. money. However if you feel that China should'nt have to play a part, thats fine by me, as long as you're arent offended with some people calling China a 'freeloader', in this area.

 

[bladerunner]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

1. Wasn't India one of the recipients of Tsunami aid? Why would China need a blue water navy to deliver aid to Bangladesh?

I think India turned any aid offers down, saying it could manage on its own.

It wasnt just Bangladesh that got hit
Im trying to think of the territorythat was part of Indonesia, until the Western Half gained independence a few yrs before the Tsunami hit. It was one of the worst hit areas.it was highly publicized by New Zealand Newspapers how Indias navy was in there helping, but China couldn't even if it wanted too , because it didnt have the right type of ships.( Thats kinda embarassing for a wanabe worldpower, being shown up by India)

 

[Blitzo]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Thats true what you say,but Western critics suggest China should be prepared to do more, after all its not short of. money

Ah but Western critics also say that China's growing naval power is a threat. So really, which side is the one to be taken? And China is prepared to do more (relative to previously). A few years back the idea of China patrolling far off seas was highly doubtful, but this time last year the PLAN decided to take a trip to somalia. I consider that as an indication it is "prepared to do more".

2/ Up to now,Its been the American Navy that patrols the Trade routes at her own expense, IMO an Aspiring world power like China should be prepared to contribute more in that direction, instead of freeloading off the West. and to do this it probably needs a truely bluewater navy with several carriers

China is prepared to do more as shown in the Somalia patrols, but you can't say China is "freeloading" off the West, because the flipside is that if there comes to a conflict then the West will control the trade routes. One reason why the West doesn't like China having a better navy is that it'll be able to protect it's own trade routes and threaten the grip over the routes countries like the US hold and generally just challenge US power.
It's good though, the west is able to say "do more, China pull your own weight", but also "your navy is too strong, why do you need a stronger navy?". Either way the PRC is still the one ends up looking bad. I think you really can't use the argument that China should be doing more rather than "freeloading" when you consider the above points.

It was one of the worst hit areas.it was highly publicized by New Zealand Newspapers how Indias navy was in there helping, but China couldn't even if it wanted too , because it didnt have the right type of ships.( Thats kinda embarassing for a wanabe worldpower, being shown up by India)

And China has rectified that by the introduction of 071 LPD, hospital ships etc. It's disaster relief capabilities are far different to those a few years ago.

Also, I don't think China is a "wannabe world power". Recently a Chinese poll showed that they considered China's power to be 7th in the world. I think it's the West which says China is a "growing world power" (it is exactly that, but the West over emphasises the fact), and then when China doesn't live up to expectations, the sharks come in and diss the PRC.

 

[bladerunner]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Blitzo what you say is true, however IMO I do believe China should have a expanded true blue water navy. The positives/Negatives are formed on how the power is projected and what its used for.

 

[Blitzo]

Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

I completely agree that China should have a blue water navy; that I irrevocably support.

The bone I was picking was the reasons why the PLAN should be blue water, some of which I disagreed with.