The Chinese Special Force Basic Training And Its Effectiveness?

sidewinder01

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Nor would everyone have the desire or ambition to go. Many soldiers are just working a job.

Totally agree with you, I do not want to do that much workout EVERYDAY. Plus doing that much extreme workout everyday will cause permanent damage to one's body, one may not feel it at a young age. But it definitly will come back when one ages.
 

kliu0

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sidewinder01

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I doubt its true, but i'd be happy to be proven wrong.....

That much dmg to the body....u'd most likely die from physical dmg than bullets if you stay in the spec forces for a long time.

Yea If i go to to china again this summer ill try to get a video of a interview about the training. It be very general so its not "leaking" anything.
 

Damingli85

Junior Member
1. The training doesn't seem impossible. With that said, it is indeed very hard.
2. Human wave was used, however it wasn't that common.
 

ravenshield936

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Both stories are true. The PVA did use human wave attacks for the most critical and time sensitive objectives, but the tactic was extremely rare (though memorable for the opponents) as, believe it or not, PVA commanders were very conscious of force preservation. The PVA's main tactics can be characterized as infiltration (especially at night). Positions are approached in stealth as close as possible and attacked with grenades and submachine guns. The "shock and awe" affect of this kind of tactics, where the attackers seem to pop out not very far away, UN positions are bombarded with concussion grenades, attacks in 3:1 or higher force ratios, and usually at night, give the impression of human wave tactics (the whole point was to make the UN defenders flee and give up the point in the defensive line, so that the PVA could exploit the breakthrough). You can believe it or not, this is the PVA's perspective.

As to soldiers being chained to positions, the PVA did do this with some critical positions, especially with machine gunners. They were willing to sacrifice machine gunners to maximize enemy casualties and slow down enemy advances. Despite the very high morale of the PVA, I'm sure some of the volunteers needed extra motivation to stay.

human wave is a myth actually. the PVA had no air power to cover the troops on the ground so they only fight at night. Chinese commanders have the habit of sending small contingents around the enemy and attack from behind in coordination with the main body's frontal assault. when they do attack they use bugles and whistles to intimidate the enemy. that's why it "sounded" like they were everywhere to the americans. remember the Chinese rarely attacks during the day so to say they saw the human wave thing going is jsut absurd.

In the Art of War, this is the combination of "approach from the east, appear from the west, march from the north, and attack from the south"
Using these elements this will throw the enemy into confusion and fear. Combined with the stealth and the stalking at night, when the Chinese show themselves, they are all around their enemies in close proximity with large swarming numbers and their enemies are for a very nasty surprise.

Regardless of everyone's different stance and viewpoints, I believe the Chinese commanders were clearly aware of what they are doing. Fighting a better equipped army, the smart one will adapt and use their strength to attack enemy's weakness. Also even if you have superior equipment, if one knows how to tactically outmanuver you, then they stand a higher chance of winning. :china:
Chinese military history have proven that with an intelligent leader, he can win a battle against a superior force by applying the right management and tactics.


Both stories are true. The PVA did use human wave attacks for the most critical and time sensitive objectives, but the tactic was extremely rare (though memorable for the opponents) as, believe it or not, PVA commanders were very conscious of force preservation. The PVA's main tactics can be characterized as infiltration (especially at night). Positions are approached in stealth as close as possible and attacked with grenades and submachine guns. The "shock and awe" affect of this kind of tactics, where the attackers seem to pop out not very far away, UN positions are bombarded with concussion grenades, attacks in 3:1 or higher force ratios, and usually at night, give the impression of human wave tactics (the whole point was to make the UN defenders flee and give up the point in the defensive line, so that the PVA could exploit the breakthrough). You can believe it or not, this is the PVA's perspective.

As to soldiers being chained to positions, the PVA did do this with some critical positions, especially with machine gunners. They were willing to sacrifice machine gunners to maximize enemy casualties and slow down enemy advances. Despite the very high morale of the PVA, I'm sure some of the volunteers needed extra motivation to stay.

If anyone is familiar with Eastern Han vs Chu, they will know that Xiangyu sunk the junks in which his army travelled in, and destroyed the woks they brought with them. So what happened in the end? His army broke into Xiangyang. When you know there's no alternative, you will fight to your death. Sounds brutal, but a rather effective tactic. And who knows? Perhaps the soldiers asked to chain themselves to it.
 

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Damingli85

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Re: The Chinese Special Force Basic Trainning And Its Effectiveness??

In the Art of War, this is the combination of "approach from the east, appear from the west, march from the north, and attack from the south"
Using these elements this will throw the enemy into confusion and fear. Combined with the stealth and the stalking at night, when the Chinese show themselves, they are all around their enemies in close proximity with large swarming numbers and their enemies are for a very nasty surprise.

Regardless of everyone's different stance and viewpoints, I believe the Chinese commanders were clearly aware of what they are doing. Fighting a better equipped army, the smart one will adapt and use their strength to attack enemy's weakness. Also even if you have superior equipment, if one knows how to tactically outmanuver you, then they stand a higher chance of winning. :china:
Chinese military history have proven that with an intelligent leader, he can win a battle against a superior force by applying the right management and tactics.




If anyone is familiar with Eastern Han vs Chu, they will know that Xiangyu sunk the junks in which his army travelled in, and destroyed the woks they brought with them. So what happened in the end? His army broke into Xiangyang. When you know there's no alternative, you will fight to your death. Sounds brutal, but a rather effective tactic. And who knows? Perhaps the soldiers asked to chain themselves to it.


That reminds me of a saying, even a rabbit will bite you if it is cornered.
 

bladerunner

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Re: The Chinese Special Force Basic Trainning And Its Effectiveness??

In the Art of War, this is the combination of "approach from the east, appear from the west, march from the north, and attack from the south"
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That depends, with todays observation equipment it would be a very difficult manouvre to accomplish and if detected out in the open as in the desert or Afghanistan type terrain, a few "daisy cutters" or carpet bombing would destroy any offensive by the other side.
 
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