Plan Type 095/096 Nuclear Submarine Thread

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    The design package was delivered (digital package) to the shipyard around November 2017, one year earlier than past types (by paper).
    The event in February 2018 was about design team joining the production team. I suppose this means that the design team will be on site of production to assist any question or understanding of the design document by the construction team. It is to smooth and speed up the production.
     
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    As Taxiya has pointed out, the information we have is not always interpreted or translated in the correct way.

    Fact of the matter is there is conflicting information and indications, meaning somewhere along the line the information we've been getting must be inconsistent at one place or another.
     
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    Actually I was not trying to imply anything but merely paraphrasing the reports.

    The new line was built in a somehow counterintuitive way -- the first building being built was the covered berth workshop, and the next was module final assembly workshop and then the other workshops. Maybe something with a higher degree of completion is waithing for the new line.
     
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    The Chinese Naval Group CEO CSIC, accompanied by the Chief Engineer of the 719 Institute, paid a visit yesterday to the Bohai shipyard. The new infrastructure to build the SNA Type 09V and the SNLE Type 09VI will soon be operational.
    From henri k blog look like the building is completed and they move a lot of crate I assume tool and jig
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    Could lead to China having the second largest SSN fleet in the world by 2040 or thereabouts.
     
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    Not sure they’ll make that many SSN aside from keeping their technological edge alive.

    The PLAN used to be a single force dedicated solely for self defense, where advanced SSKs provide the best undersea component, being stealthier.

    In recent days, PLAN has also acquired a global force which could be used to crack down on third world nations. This isn’t something China would willingly do unless there’s absolutely no other option, but given the large amount of new ties with such countries, it’s a necessary insurance. The SSNs go under that category, having good range and payload.

    Even if the 095 can be as stealthy as the 041, the cost would likely be prohibitive compared to a 041, which “merely” costs 600+ million $, although that is already insane for a SSK that typically costs around 300-400 million $.

    Unless China’s doctrine changes into intervenationism to create puppet regimes, there won’t be a need for force 2 to eclipse force 1. 041s and their future successor will still be the primary submarines.
     
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    From a doctrinal point of view, SSNs essentially have unlimited range, so are also suited for global sea denial and power projection in high-end conflicts.

    Plus if the cost of an SSN is about $1Billion, that is roughly the same as the Type-55.
    So the cost doesn't seem prohibitive given how many Type-55 are being produced.

    Also think what the existence of a fleet of 30 SSNs would mean.
    That would mean 4 SSNs constantly patrolling the Pacific, which would significantly change the military balance of power.
     
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    It’s very unlikely a SSN can be attained for 1 billion $. A 041 costs 500-620 million $, the closest western equivalent, the Japanese Soryu, costs 536 million $.

    If the 095 is performance oriented, it’s likely to cost more or about as much as the Seawolf class (6 billion $) which is equivalent to ~5 fleet destroyers. Even if it incorporates heavy cost saving measures, it would likely cost more than 3 billion $.

    The cost is prohibitive compared to the use they would get.

    30 is not that ambitious of a number through, on the high end but hardly a massive fleet like the US one. I could see them going with that, or 10-20 SSNs.

    The current military doctrine doesn’t support contesting international seas aggressively, only retain a capability to hit weaker actors as an insurance. Having 60+ SSNs would benefit China if war and making tributary states were an important part of their economy, but right now it isn’t. That’s evidenced in the very low military budget.

    One thing that’s certain is that the 093Bs are getting long in the tooth as the early 2000 boats they are... every other country has made new SSN since then.
     
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    Nope, this puts the price of an S26T (an export variant of the 041) at $390 million:
    https://archive.fo/20170510164957/h...163/thailand-orders-s26t-submarine-from-china
     
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    That’s a S26T, not a 041. Pakistan is getting the export variant closest to 041 (S20) and they’re paying 5 billion $ for 8 of them = 625 million $ apiece.
     
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