054/A FFG Thread II

Tam

Brigadier
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emm so the CCL structure only has one circle (or tube)?

Each kind of missile comes with their own canister. This one only says the HHQ-16's canisters are rounded, which is like the land version's. The Russian 3M317ME missiles also use rounded canisters. I am not sure the reason for this. A Yu-8 canister will be a whole different story.

Standard missiles for Mk. 41 I believe use square canisters and so do the Aster missiles for the Sylver VLS.
 

kurutoga

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Each kind of missile comes with their own canister. This one only says the HHQ-16's canisters are rounded, which is like the land version's. The Russian 3M317ME missiles also use rounded canisters. I am not sure the reason for this. A Yu-8 canister will be a whole different story.

Standard missiles for Mk. 41 I believe use square canisters and so do the Aster missiles for the Sylver VLS.

but the chinese VLS unit does not have extra tunnels for exhaust, unlike MK41. That is why it's been said the hot launch is only done as CCL. Things do not add up. Or I misunderstood it completely.
 

Tam

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but the chinese VLS unit does not have extra tunnels for exhaust, unlike MK41. That is why it's been said the hot launch is only done as CCL. Things do not add up. Or I misunderstood it completely.

It does, and the exhaust is routed into a central plenum like the Mk. 41 launcher. That is why there is a central space between the launchers and the lid for this gets opened during launch, to allow for the exhaust gases. This is more like the Mk. 41 and different from the hot launch on the U-VLS.

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Tam

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they say (
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(called the canister "rapid-fire honeycombed vertical launcher" in the leaflet
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just for me: it's
ТПК = транспортно-пусковой контейнер

The Russian system looks like this.


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Its just wires connecting to the end of the canister to ignite the compressed gas container beneath the missile.


Why the PLAN would hot launch their HHQ-16 when the PLA cold launches their HQ-16 is beyond me. You would think they would try to be compatible. One should also note how different the way the PLA chooses to launch their HQ-16s while the Russians simply launch them from open slant launchers.

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The Russian system looks like this.


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Its just wires connecting to the end of the canister to ignite the compressed gas container beneath the missile.


Why the PLAN would hot launch their HHQ-16 when the PLA cold launches their HQ-16 is beyond me. You would think they would try to be compatible. One should also note how different the way the PLA chooses to launch their HQ-16s while the Russians simply launch them from open slant launchers.

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the Russian link I quoted Today at 8:46 AM
also says "Shtil-1 VLS" could be made like Clubs I mean the launcher doesn't need to be inside a silo of a ship, but for example in a truck:
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if you know what I'm saying
 

Totoro

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Russian missile seems to be 92 pixels in diameter, with inner width of the cell (not the circular missile container!) some 177 pixels. That would amount to 0.65 meters if missile 0.34 m in diameter.

There is absolutely no engineering reason why hhq16 could not be stored and fired from rectangular containers. standard missile, sea sparrow missile, aster, they're all fired from such containers.

reason for circular container may be commonality with hq16, and thus some cost saving. but that too makes little sense since hhq16 is hot launched, so most of the commonality is thrown out of the window anyway.

HAD hhq16 been made to be cold launched, than circular container makes perfect sense. It takes less space, meaning the gas generator can be made smaller than if the gas it had to fill a larger, rectangular space (less pressure in that case). And rectangular container is not as structurally strong, requiring extra braces, probably taking a bit more width and making the container heavier.

but, since hhq16 is hot launched, there's really no reason not to have it maximize the use of the cell. Heck, even the missile alone could have been made a bit more efficient, being lighter, as no/less weight would be spent on hinged fins. (perhaps fins could be made so they don't fold at all and still fit inside the container).

Years ago, i thought h/ajk16 launcher was tailor made around hhq16. it made sense somehow. but now it seems that's not the case. so either there is another weapon around which the launcher was tailor made around... OR it really is about miniscule savings and cutting corners, while losing the potential to either have slightly better weapons or have the whole VLS cell smaller and lighter.

While it's possible it was sized for some non-defined future growth potential, that doesn't seem likely, as we're talking about a 10+ year old system. Usually one would size up launchers for at least something in development, not for something completely non-defined.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
29 units of Type 054A in the water

30th should launch in 2018

Next generation FFG Type 052B soon coming

30 units in 12 years 2.5 per year
 
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