PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

taxiya

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Well based on my personal experience There is no such thing as new invention out of the blue very rare Most of the engineering work is improvement of the previous model. You need so called "go by" or reference

They certainly know the front side of the submarine since they have been reverse engineering the Soviet Sub
But Nuclear power plant is different than the Diesel So room and equipment lay out is the first thing that they has to tackle

The idea here is to minimize and simplified piping , wiring and ducting. Ease of access and maintenance .Logical work flow. in short efficiency. Here where the model play an important role

I think it is not a toy but plastic model so it is not detail but give you the outline and partition of the sub. They have an idea how to partition the sub and where the major equipment will be located but they are not sure They need a reference
The model become their reference. so yes I believe what he said and it only make sense
Long time ago I read about it in a book by American analyst about first Chinese submarine and He said the same thing

That doesn't sound outrageous. Before the advance of PC and cheap 3 D model software that is how engineer built power plant of refinery. When I was summer student my job is to update plastic model As they design a plant.The first order of the day is to layout the major equipment then they revise and updated the model as well. The operation, engineer, often consult the model and keep changing it. they have to check for interference and better efficiency . It very difficult to visualize 3 D from 2 D drawing and prevent a lot of headache
It is outdated now they used 3 D model now
What is your opinion of the translation?

Doesn't the Chinese version say that they had already figured out the arrangement or design before they got hand on the model?

The article (in Chinese) said "玩具模型" and your translation was rightly "toy model". If I am supposed to take the article seriously, I would also take its own wording seriously, that is a "toy".

Not only the story of toy model being suspicious (the rest of the article and as a whole is pretty believable), but the whole idea of US actually produced and sold such (useful for engineering reference) toy modeled after their (and world) first nuclear sub in an open market is more than suspicious IMO. I would believe it when someone shows me something like that.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
What is your opinion of the translation?

Doesn't the Chinese version say that they had already figured out the arrangement or design before they got hand on the model?

The article (in Chinese) said "玩具模型" and your translation was rightly "toy model". If I am supposed to take the article seriously, I would also take its own wording seriously, that is a "toy".

Not only the story of toy model being suspicious (the rest of the article and as a whole is pretty believable), but the whole idea of US actually produced and sold such (useful for engineering reference) toy modeled after their (and world) first nuclear sub in an open market is more than suspicious IMO. I would believe it when someone shows me something like that.

They might have their own design but it doesn't mean they have the CORRECT design It is most likely a preliminary design that doesn't lead to anything. In my experience early design is good as useless They just point of reference in any engineering cycle design evolve
What he meant is not literal toy! It could be model

So the fact that they have blueprint ready doesn't say anything!
Well you can buy submarine mode from any model maker just check amazon
As I said before plastic model is used widely before the advance of computer I personally done it and it is not as outrageous as you think I don't know how old you are
But go to Galveston excellent offshore museum They have huge plastic model of offshore platform I think Equation can attest to that
Go to any big engineering firm in Houston and check their lobby they have huge plastic model of their plant

I dont think it is shameful to use model For me using Abacus to do engineering calculation is just if not more ridiculous How they do log calc or trigonometry using abacus But they did it
I don't make fun or condescending far from it I tip my hat for those pioneer they did superhuman job

There is no reason for him to lie or embellish his record it is for posterity to show how backward China then and yet with all the handicap they are facing they struggle and win. so it uplifting and model to emulate never fear hardship and keep straight forward. With hardwork and steely will you will overcome any obstacle.
 
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asif iqbal

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Ok this is what I have

Type 091

5 completed -2 decommissioned 3 active

Type 092

1 completed and active

Type 093

2 x Type 093 and 2 x Type 093B

4 active

Type 094

4 active

Total 7 x SSN and 5 x SSBN = 12 nuclear submarines

Any more identified ?
 

newguy02

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Ok this is what I have

Type 091

5 completed -2 decommissioned 3 active

Type 092

1 completed and active

Type 093

2 x Type 093 and 2 x Type 093B

4 active

Type 094

4 active

Total 7 x SSN and 5 x SSBN = 12 nuclear submarines

Any more identified ?
Isn't there also a single Type 093A?
 
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