PLAN East Sea Fleet & Bases/Islands

Janiz said:

lol, you're writing about something low? The initial reports (like the one I posted here) didn't have any infos on how much people were rescued/missing. In Japanese a behavior that you presented is called 'gyaku kire' if I'm not mistaken and it means 'a situation where offender is angry at the victim'. If you want anyone to point your anger it should be Chinese offcials who sent those boats there. And thank Japanese CG for resucing everyone they could if you don't want to sound 'low'.

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Even if you didn't look for anything else, the report you quoted already said six rescued and others missing. Perhaps you were so happy about this you neglected to read your own post.

By the way I'm not sure what makes you so delighted, do you think that because JCG got there first and rescued some of the Chinese fishermen it makes for a great opportunity to shame China? Or that this will be a great setback to Chinese presence in the area? Neither of these really make sense. If anything, it will give the Chinese CG more political pressure and excuses to increase their presence. I don't think any calm minds in the Japanese government would be too enthusiastic about this.

Any mature person or government would know they should to treat a tragedy like this and territorial/political conflicts separately, that is why China expressed appreciation first and tries to work together with Japan for the search and rescue, rather than complaining that JCG went 65km near the islands. If the Japanese government is equally mature they will not try to over-politicize their rescue of Chinese fishermen, other than letting it show that they've maintained presence in the area. Since you have resorted to mocking a tragedy and second-guessing my feelings, it is clear the same maturity is too much to ask from you.

Janiz said:

lol, you're writing about something low? The initial reports (like the one I posted here) didn't have any infos on how much people were rescued/missing. In Japanese a behavior that you presented is called 'gyaku kire' if I'm not mistaken and it means 'a situation where offender is angry at the victim'. If you want anyone to point your anger it should be Chinese offcials who sent those boats there. And thank Japanese CG for resucing everyone they could if you don't want to sound 'low'.

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Good for JCG doing it's normal duties to rescue mariners. That's something all CGs do on a regular basis, but we all should appreciate Japanese officials acting humanely.

On a different topic, why do you think it's problematic Chinese officials send ships to it's own islands? It's something all nations do, right sport?

superdog said:

By the way I'm not sure what makes you so delighted, do you think that because JCG got there first and rescued some of the Chinese fishermen it makes for a great opportunity to shame China? Or that this will be a great setback to Chinese presence in the area? Neither of these really make sense. If anything, it will give the Chinese CG more political pressure and excuses to increase their presence. I don't think any calm minds in the Japanese government would be too enthusiastic about this.

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I'll write ot for you point by point:
1. China sending record numbers of CG cutters near Senkakus to bully Japanese CG with going into contiguous zone from time to time
2. They send a flotilla of fishing boats to catch as much as they had never seen in Chinese EEZ (Chinese ambassador said something 'great catch' just yesterday)
3. China is happy with that and doesn't care too much until US takes it's stance and says that it will move if China will try to grab Japanese soverign territory (Guam, bombers etc)
4. Collision happens
5. Many Chinese CG cutters around, Japanese CG is there doing their job in their EEZ showing who's part of the sea it is and doing their job as good as they can
6. Japanese CG are heroes with Chinese netizens asking 'where were our cutters?'
7. Rescued Chinese fishermen go to Japan for treatment
8. After few hours there's no sign of Chinese CG cutters of fishing boats near Senkaku
9. Few Chinese citizens lost their lives in completly useless show of force by PRC
10. Total failure of Chinese plans
11. Japanese ambassadro in Beijing sends messages to Japanese citizens in China to be careful as 'the case of Senkaku too the point of boiling in PRC'
12. Japan took an innitiative and are winners in this unexpected situation from A to Z
13. Probably a small stomach ache for Chairman Xi in the morning

That's about it - it showed how careless actions can cost life, make you seem incompetent in your own country and PRC can fail in their behavior. Fail brutally.

China sending record numbers of CG cutters near Senkakus to bully Japanese CG with going into contiguous zone from time to time

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You can keep saying bully or invasion from a Japanese POV, but everybody here knows the background of the dispute and how it escalated in recent years, and have their own interpretation as well, so this is a moot point.

They send a flotilla of fishing boats to catch as much as they had never seen in Chinese EEZ (Chinese ambassador said something 'great catch' just yesterday)

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Yup because they consider it their territory and they have every right to do so. Again a moot point.

China is happy with that and doesn't care too much until US takes it's stance and says that it will move if China will try to grab Japanese soverign territory (Guam, bombers etc)

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Again you're guessing about motivation and feeling based on your own emotional projection. In reality the US has been saying the same thing for years.

Many Chinese CG cutters around, Japanese CG is there doing their job in their EEZ showing who's part of the sea it is and doing their job as good as they can

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They are doing their job yes, they deserve appreciation for the rescue yes, but the implications on politics and territorial dispute are just your wishful thinking. If all territorial dispute can be determined by who arrives first to a shipwreck scene.......no sorry it doesn't work like that.

Japanese CG are heroes with Chinese netizens asking 'where were our cutters?'

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It's appropriate for people to have questions like that, but it's not appropriate to immediately jump into conclusions about useless this vs hero that when we don't know much yet. It is especially not appropriate to claim such a tragedy as "LEGENDARY!" and make flame baits out of it.

After few hours there's no sign of Chinese CG cutters of fishing boats near Senkaku

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And you know that from your own surveillance satellites monitoring the area? Heck, do we even know if the freighter called through open channels or just informed the JCG?

Few Chinese citizens lost their lives in completly useless show of force by PRC

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Useless how? What's with all the Japanese reaction if it's so completely useless? It is also silly to connect the show of presence with the fishing boat accident as if accidents won't happen when they fish elsewhere.

Total failure of Chinese plans

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Total failure how?

Japanese ambassadro in Beijing sends messages to Japanese citizens in China to be careful as 'the case of Senkaku too the point of boiling in PRC'

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And remember who started the escalation in 2012. But then to you Japan can purchase whatever from its own citizens and China should not say a word. So moot point again.

Japan took an innitiative and are winners in this unexpected situation from A to Z

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Let me repeat what I said earlier: They are doing their job yes, they deserve appreciation for the rescue yes, but the implications on politics and territorial dispute are just your wishful thinking. If all territorial dispute can be determined by who arrives first to a shipwreck scene.......no sorry it doesn't work like that.

Probably a small stomach ache for Chairman Xi in the morning

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So you have a habit of imagining how others become bitter of the Legendary Japanese Victory. FYI, in China people call this "".

Again, my point is that an incident like this would only create more pressure (and possibly more funding) for the Chinese CG to increase their presence, improve their Intel capability, and shorten their reaction time in case of future events. Even if I'm totally on Japan's side and even if I don't care a bit about the life of Chinese fishermen, I still would not be at all joyful about what happened.

Janiz said:

This event will be LEGENDARY! What's the response of Chinese netizens?

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Didn't you like a post back in the Taiwan military thread, about how it was in bad taste for people to make light of the ROC missile launch a little while back, which caused in accidental deaths?

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/taiwan-military-news-reports-data-etc.t3396/page-245#post-404636


Lovely stuff.

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edit: not that there's anything wrong with some deliberate non-sensitive baiting by eiither side of a discussion -- though I personally find it distasteful -- but it satisfies me to know that everyone on both sides of the fence holds their own positions of exception and hypocrisy.

The sinking of the fishing boat actually underscores the need for more Chinese Coast Guard patrols in the region more regularly.

If CCG ships were also in the area at the time, they too could have responded to the incident and maybe more lives could have been saved.

It's only pure chance that it was a Chinese fishing boat that was hit and sunk. It could just as easily be a Japanese, Korean or crew of any other nationality that needs saving next time.

Does anyone here honestly think for a second anyone would give a toss what flag the coast guard ship is flying if they were in the drink?

Since events within the East China Seas are also becoming active, I've created a separate thread.

China fishing boat sinks after colliding with freighter near Senkakus

NAHA, Japan (Kyodo) -- A Chinese fishing boat sank shortly after colliding with a Greek cargo ship on the high seas near the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea early Thursday, the Japan Coast Guard said, following increased activities in recent days by Chinese ships in waters close to the Japan-controlled, China-claimed territory.

A coast guard patrol ship rescued six crew members of the fishing boat and searched for the other missing following its collision with the freighter Anangel Courage about 65 kilometers off Uotsuri Island, the largest in the Senkaku group of islets, just past 5 a.m., it said.

The 11th Regional Coast Guard Headquarters received a distress signal from the 106,727-ton freighter and sent a patrol boat and a plane to the site.

The Japanese coast guard unit, based in Naha, Okinawa Prefecture, has been on high alert since it detected increased operations by Chinese government vessels and fishing boats in waters around the Senkakus on Aug. 5..... to read more

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From what I hear although the Greek ship issued a distress signal for the fishing boat, no other vessel in the area, including the Chinese patrol ships, moved to assist them. The Japanese Coast Guard moved in when it became apparent that no one else was going to help. Not moving to assist a vessel in distress is a violation of international maritime law and the oldest maritime traditions.
Now what are the Chinese Coast Guard ships that are constantly violating Japan's contiguous zone around Senkaku isles doing when this happened?

At least there is a silver lining;

Beijing thanks Tokyo for rescue after Chinese fishing boat collides with freighter near Senkakus

A collision between a Chinese fishing boat and a Greece-flagged merchant ship near the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea early Thursday led to a rescue operation by the Japan Coast Guard and a note of thanks from Beijing.

The coast guard rescued six Chinese crew members and was searching for eight missing, the agency said, after the fishing boat sank.

The boat collided with the 300-meter-long bulk carrier Anangel Courage about 65 km off Uotsuri Island, the largest in the Senkaku group of islets, just after 5 a.m.

The cargo ship issued a distress signal, and the coast guard dispatched a vessel and a plane to the area, the agency said. Weather conditions in the area were poor at the time.

Tokyo informed Beijing of the incident and the Chinese side “expressed appreciation” for the operation, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Hundreds of Chinese boats are currently fishing in waters close to the disputed islands, the ministry has said, with multiple Chinese patrol vessels maneuvering among them. At least some of the government ships appear to be armed.

The Chinese ambassador in Tokyo said Wednesday that the flotilla is a response to heavy potential fish catches in the area, according to an official from Japan’s ruling party..... to read more

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SamuraiBlue said:

Since events within the East China Seas are also becoming active, I've created a separate thread.



From what I hear although the Greek ship issued a distress signal for the fishing boat, no other vessel in the area, including the Chinese patrol ships, moved to assist them. The Japanese Coast Guard moved in when it became apparent that no one else was going to help. Not moving to assist a vessel in distress is a violation of international maritime law and the oldest maritime traditions.
Now what are the Chinese Coast Guard ships that are constantly violating Japan's contiguous zone around Senkaku isles doing when this happened?

At least there is a silver lining;

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You are making that accusation against the China CG supposedly based on hearsay. There is no information to support your accusation from either article you linked.

PanAsian said:

You are making that accusation against the China CG supposedly based on hearsay. There is no information to support your accusation from either article you linked.

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From the article;

“There are approximately 200 to 300 fishing vessels operating in the contiguous zone of the Senkaku Islands, and a large number of Chinese government vessels,” the report said.

It said up to 16 patrol ships have been in the area, distributing images of the ships and identifying them as hailing from three government agencies: China Coast Guard, China Marine Surveillance and China’s Fisheries Law Enforcement Command.

The dossier listed examples of protests Tokyo has submitted to Beijing since Aug. 5. On Sunday alone, officials filed 10 separate protests with Chinese diplomats in Tokyo and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing.

“Despite Japan repeatedly lodging strong protests with the Chinese side, the Chinese side has continued to take unilateral actions that raise tensions on the ground, and this is absolutely unacceptable,” the Foreign Ministry said in the document.

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