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taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
I'm eagerly waiting to see reports about PLAN

1) detecting underwater cruising nuclear powered submarine
2) tracking it down to the pinpoint
3) taking commemorative photos with it surfaced and showing ensign surfaced (as I can imagine many of those aboard JS Onami did taking a walk with one of the "state of art Chinese submarine")

Those are facts...

I think that's Jeff's 'pond' of interest so I think that he's the only capable person on this forum to speak about it.
Do you believe any navy will report their nuclear sub being spotted, tracked and photographed? Probaly not.
Then the only source of such report would be from China. Will you be willing to believe it? I am sure you will not.

So what is this waiting if you already have your answer? Waiting to have a chance to dismiss the possible report as a lie? That is what you are at.

You are very good at hiding in the safe of self sustained, self proven loop.

If you are so eager to know, you should also be eager to find out where was this PLAN sub before January 10th BEFORE it being spotted, what was it doing at where, for how long. I think you have a much better chance in finding these answers out than the "future reports about PLAN".
 

texx1

Junior Member
I'm eagerly waiting to see reports about PLAN

1) detecting underwater cruising nuclear powered submarine
2) tracking it down to the pinpoint
3) taking commemorative photos with it surfaced and showing ensign surfaced (as I can imagine many of those aboard JS Onami did taking a walk with one of the "state of art Chinese submarine")

Those are facts...

I think that's Jeff's 'pond' of interest so I think that he's the only capable person on this forum to speak about it.

Does Jeff have any military contacts with PLA? Does he have any privileged information access to Chinese military industrial complex?
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
I actually feel sorry for them after all that and JMSDF taking pictures and making it public right off might be even conisdered as 'bad behavior' on the Japanese side to torment them even more... I'm 100% sure that was the submarines' CO last journey.
What about next time JMSDF spotted and "forced" PLAN sub to surface 12 miles outside of Tokyo bay? Who are you going to feel sorry for?

All the same, except the where and the "forced surface" or delibrate surfacing. Forced surfacing is a shame, delibrate surfacing at the right spot is a pride.

And none of us know the circustance of the surfacing, but only you take the liberty to twist the fact to your favorite picture.
 
this is the most recent development (the article is dated
January 13, 2018 at 16:00 JST
which is like a half of an hour ago):
Japan protests to China over submarine off Senkaku Islands
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Japan lodged a strong protest with China on Jan. 12 after a foreign submarine detected just outside Japanese territorial waters in the East China Sea was confirmed to be Chinese.

The submarine surfaced in international waters northwest of the disputed Senkaku Islands on the afternoon of Jan. 12 and hoisted the Chinese flag, according to the Defense Ministry.

It was the first confirmation of a Chinese submarine moving in the contiguous zone close to the uninhabited islands, which are claimed by both Japan and China.

Shinsuke Sugiyama, administrative vice foreign minister, lodged a protest by phone with Chinese Ambassador Cheng Yonghua.

Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera expressed serious concern about the incident, calling it an “act that unilaterally raises tensions.”

Japan stepped up patrols around the islands after the sovereignty issue became a major impediment to better bilateral ties. Japan controls the islands, which China calls the Diaoyu Islands.

A Maritime Self-Defense Force escort vessel had been tracking the submarine since it was first detected Jan. 10 and subsequently confirmed its nationality, according to the Defense Ministry.

The submarine did not respond to inquiries from the Japanese escort vessel while it was submerged and after it surfaced. It then entered the open sea, apparently headed for China.

A senior Defense Ministry official said the submarine surfaced because the East China Sea is shallow and the craft risked hitting rocks.

Foreign Minister Taro Kono is expected to urge Beijing to refrain from actions that undermine efforts to mend bilateral relations when he meets his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, in China during a scheduled visit.

Japan is taking a resolute stand on issues affecting national security while seeking to repair its relations with China, government officials said.
 
now was briefly looking for official Chinese on this, found just (dated 2018-01-11)
Defense ministry slams Japan for sensationalizing legitimate Chinese naval action
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China's defense ministry has expressed strong discontent with Japanese efforts to sensationalize a legitimate action by the Chinese navy, according to the information office of the ministry Thursday.

The remarks were in response to a claim from Japan that a Chinese vessel had entered the waters of the contiguous zone outside the territorial waters of the Diaoyu Islands.

According to the office, on Thursday morning two vessels of the Japanese maritime self-defense force entered the contiguous zone on the northeast of the Chiwei Islet of China's Diaoyu Islands, to which China's missile frigate Yiyang immediately reacted by tracking and monitoring vessels in the area.

The Japanese vessels have now left the aforementioned contiguous zone, the office said.

"The Diaoyu Island and its affiliated islets have always been an inherent part of Chinese territory, thus the activities of Chinese vessel in the waters are totally legitimate," the office noted. "The Chinese military will continue to firmly defend China's territorial sovereignty and security interests by all means necessary."
 
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Sheesh, all this talk about a submarine surfacing and the skipper being court martialed and the likes......... It did be an incredible act of pettyness for the PLAN to relieve a submarine skipper for the mere fact that he surfaced his vessel.
More importantly as a skipper it did be his first priority to ensure both the safety of his ship and crew. Supposed if he is already detected by the JMSDF, then the only logical step forward would be to acknowledge them by surfacing. It's' not wartime so why risk the danger that the JMSDF might take action to sink it.
While acting prudently does not automatically warrant the skipper a commendation, he does deserve a slap on the back on acting professionally.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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Sheesh, all this talk about a submarine surfacing and the skipper being court martialed and the likes......... It did be an incredible act of pettyness for the PLAN to relieve a submarine skipper for the mere fact that he surfaced his vessel.
More importantly as a skipper it did be his first priority to ensure both the safety of his ship and crew. Supposed if he is already detected by the JMSDF, then the only logical step forward would be to acknowledge them by surfacing. It's' not wartime so why risk the danger that the JMSDF might take action to sink it.
While acting prudently does not automatically warrant the skipper a commendation, he does deserve a slap on the back on acting professionally.

Agree for me according in more it is a SSN and a new class ! he surfaced forced don't means detected, possible ? you can see in surface such submarines only in port call, near bases with strait/shallow sea also Suez ( mandatory ) and Malacca Strait normaly in more Bosphorus and ofc Panama. canal.
The logic is than a nuclear which don't need never get surfaced. Only exception again more for a SSBN... if a sailor is to evacuate.
To consider also they are designed to operated in diving and are much less comfortable and fast in surface.

If PLAN want show this new yet we have see a pic but the hump/VLS is few visible and in this case they take a pic in the port !
 
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Agree for me according in more it is a SSN and a new class ! he surfaced forced don't means detected, possible ? you can see in surface such submarines only in port call, near bases with strait/shallow sea.
The logic is than a nuclear which don't need never get surfaced.
To consider also they are designed to operated in diving and are much less comfortable and fast in surface.

If PLAN want show this new yet we have see a pic but the hump/VLS fs few visible but mainly in this case they take a pic in the port !
Forgive me but I really have a hard time understanding what you are trying to say. The submarine in question is most assuredly a Type 93 attack sub judging by the hump behind the conning tower.
But it is international customs that once a submarine is detected, it should then surface to signal that it does not have any hostile intentions.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
Forgive me but I really have a hard time understanding what you are trying to say.
Forbin meant that a nuclear powered submarine shouldn't surface unless it's entering or getting off a port and on a selected few other occasions as it's designed to be stay underwater. Surfacing after two straight days of being tracked down closely, being all that time underwater and showing flag on this very occasion isn't something that deserves 'a pat on the shoulder'.

And if you're operating one of the newest PLAN submarine you should release the photos of it from the port on some Internet forum rather than JMSDF taking a photo of it and post it on their website if you want to show it the world.
 
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