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I don't see amything wrong with "women motivator"Seeing pretty women always brighten the day specially for nerd. Vincent where are you here is your relaxer. One of the employee has this comment
“The men said: ‘If there are more beautiful women, I’ll be happier in my job. What’s the issue?’” Mr. Wang said. “And some women said: ‘As a woman, I don’t think this is a problem at all.’”
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Wanted at Chinese Start-Ups: Attractive Women to Ease Coders’ Stress
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Shen Yue, who has a degree in civil engineering, giving a colleague a massage in her role as a “programmer motivator” at Chainfin.com in Beijing.CreditGiulia Marchi for The New York Times
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April 24, 2018
BEIJING — China’s vibrant technology scene is searching for people like Shen Yue. Qualifications: Must be attractive, know how to charm socially awkward programmers and give relaxing massages.

Ms. Shen is a “programmer motivator,” as they are known in China. Part psychologist, part cheerleader, the women are hired to chat up and calm stressed-out coders. The jobs are proliferating in a society that largely adheres to gender stereotypes and believes that male programmers are “zhai,” or nerds who have no social lives.

“They really need someone to talk to them from time to time and to organize activities for them to ease some of the pressure,” said Ms. Shen, a 25-year-old who has a degree in civil engineering from a university in Beijing.

Chinese women have made great strides in the workplace. The country has the world’s largest number of self-made female billionaires, while many start-ups have women in senior roles. But at a time when the United States and other countries are directly confronting the #MeToo movement, the inequalities and biases in China are
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and remain firmly entrenched.

The country’s laws against gender discrimination are not often enforced. Many companies are direct in their job ads. Males preferred. Only good-looking women need apply. With programmer motivators, it’s more explicit, putting women in subservient positions to men.

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While China’s tech scene has produced companies that rival Facebook, Google and Amazon in power and wealth, the work culture in many ways trails even
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Ms. Shen getting ready for work while her boyfriend stayed in bed. Her job mostly involves tending the front desk, organizing social events, ordering snacks and chatting with programmers.CreditGiulia Marchi for The New York Times
In tech, men dominate the top ranks. Just one woman sits on the 11-member board of Alibaba, the e-commerce giant. At Baidu, a search company, none of its five board members is a woman. At Tencent, a games and social media conglomerate, there are none. By comparison, Twitter has three women on its nine-person board. At Facebook, two of its nine directors are women.

Like many other businesses, China’s tech companies are blunt about gender bias in their job ads. Baidu, Alibaba and Tencent have repeatedly published recruitment ads boasting that there are “beautiful girls” working for the companies, according to Human Rights Watch, a New York-based rights watchdog.

In January, Alibaba said it was seeking a sales manager for Taobao, its e-commerce platform. Women were preferred, ages 28 to 35, “with a good personal image and class.”

In November, Baidu advertised for a marketing position. Men were preferred “because of business travel” and other reasons.

Both companies have since removed the references to specific genders in those ads.

Alibaba said that the company has clear guidelines on providing equal opportunity regardless of gender and “will conduct stricter reviews of the recruiting advertisements to ensure compliance with our policy.” It also said that one-third of the 18 founders of Alibaba are women and that female leaders account for one-third of the company’s management positions.

Baidu said that 45 percent of the company’s 40,000 employees are female, which is reflected in midlevel and senior positions. “We value the important work that our female employees do across the organization,” the company said in an emailed statement.

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Morning preparations include hair and makeup. “I think women should be independent, self-reliant and have self-respect,” Ms. Shen said. “And that’s enough.”CreditGiulia Marchi for The New York Times
In a statement, Tencent said it values diverse backgrounds and apologized for the ads.

It is unclear how many companies employ programmer motivators. According to Baidu Baipin, a job search website run by Baidu, just seven companies are currently advertising for these jobs, mostly at smaller start-ups. There used to be more. Alibaba advertised for a programmer motivator with “recognizably good looks” in 2015 but deleted the ad after being criticized by Chinese internet users.

Ms. Shen started work at Chainfin.com, a consumer finance company, in October. She declined to disclose her salary, but Zhang Jing, a human resources executive who hired Ms. Shen, said it was around $950 a month.

Ms. Shen came to Beijing from the northeastern province of Heilongjiang. She has long black hair and pale skin and wears red eye shadow to the office, where she always has a ready smile for her colleagues. They call her by her nickname, Yueyue, which translates to Joy.

At Chainfin.com, the bulk of her work is tending the front desk, organizing social events, ordering snacks for tea breaks and chatting with the programmers. She may call a programmer to a conference room and ask him, “Did you have to work overtime?” before listening to his various frustrations.

“I thought it was really novel,” Ms. Shen said, “because I had never seen such a job before.”

On a recent Friday, she approached Guo Zhenjie, 28, who has a foldout bed next to his desk. Ms. Shen asked whether his waist was still hurting from the long hours at his desk. He said, yes, he had been working till 10 or 11 for the past few nights.

“The company’s intention is for me to give you a massage, though my technique might not be great,” Ms. Shen told Mr. Guo.

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I don't see amything wrong with "women motivator"Seeing pretty women always brighten the day specially for nerd. Vincent where are you here is your relaxer. One of the employee has this comment
“The men said: ‘If there are more beautiful women, I’ll be happier in my job. What’s the issue?’” Mr. Wang said. “And some women said: ‘As a woman, I don’t think this is a problem at all.’”
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Wanted at Chinese Start-Ups: Attractive Women to Ease Coders’ Stress
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Shen Yue, who has a degree in civil engineering, giving a colleague a massage in her role as a “programmer motivator” at Chainfin.com in Beijing.CreditGiulia Marchi for The New York Times
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April 24, 2018
BEIJING — China’s vibrant technology scene is searching for people like Shen Yue. Qualifications: Must be attractive, know how to charm socially awkward programmers and give relaxing massages.

Ms. Shen is a “programmer motivator,” as they are known in China. Part psychologist, part cheerleader, the women are hired to chat up and calm stressed-out coders. The jobs are proliferating in a society that largely adheres to gender stereotypes and believes that male programmers are “zhai,” or nerds who have no social lives.

“They really need someone to talk to them from time to time and to organize activities for them to ease some of the pressure,” said Ms. Shen, a 25-year-old who has a degree in civil engineering from a university in Beijing.

Chinese women have made great strides in the workplace. The country has the world’s largest number of self-made female billionaires, while many start-ups have women in senior roles. But at a time when the United States and other countries are directly confronting the #MeToo movement, the inequalities and biases in China are
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and remain firmly entrenched.

The country’s laws against gender discrimination are not often enforced. Many companies are direct in their job ads. Males preferred. Only good-looking women need apply. With programmer motivators, it’s more explicit, putting women in subservient positions to men.

[For more coverage of women and gender issues, subscribe to
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, a new newsletter.]


While China’s tech scene has produced companies that rival Facebook, Google and Amazon in power and wealth, the work culture in many ways trails even
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.

Image
00CHINAMOTIVATORS2-articleLarge.jpg

Ms. Shen getting ready for work while her boyfriend stayed in bed. Her job mostly involves tending the front desk, organizing social events, ordering snacks and chatting with programmers.CreditGiulia Marchi for The New York Times
In tech, men dominate the top ranks. Just one woman sits on the 11-member board of Alibaba, the e-commerce giant. At Baidu, a search company, none of its five board members is a woman. At Tencent, a games and social media conglomerate, there are none. By comparison, Twitter has three women on its nine-person board. At Facebook, two of its nine directors are women.

Like many other businesses, China’s tech companies are blunt about gender bias in their job ads. Baidu, Alibaba and Tencent have repeatedly published recruitment ads boasting that there are “beautiful girls” working for the companies, according to Human Rights Watch, a New York-based rights watchdog.

In January, Alibaba said it was seeking a sales manager for Taobao, its e-commerce platform. Women were preferred, ages 28 to 35, “with a good personal image and class.”

In November, Baidu advertised for a marketing position. Men were preferred “because of business travel” and other reasons.

Both companies have since removed the references to specific genders in those ads.

Alibaba said that the company has clear guidelines on providing equal opportunity regardless of gender and “will conduct stricter reviews of the recruiting advertisements to ensure compliance with our policy.” It also said that one-third of the 18 founders of Alibaba are women and that female leaders account for one-third of the company’s management positions.

Baidu said that 45 percent of the company’s 40,000 employees are female, which is reflected in midlevel and senior positions. “We value the important work that our female employees do across the organization,” the company said in an emailed statement.

Image
00CHINAMOTIVATORS-DIPTYCH-jumbo.jpg

Morning preparations include hair and makeup. “I think women should be independent, self-reliant and have self-respect,” Ms. Shen said. “And that’s enough.”CreditGiulia Marchi for The New York Times
In a statement, Tencent said it values diverse backgrounds and apologized for the ads.

It is unclear how many companies employ programmer motivators. According to Baidu Baipin, a job search website run by Baidu, just seven companies are currently advertising for these jobs, mostly at smaller start-ups. There used to be more. Alibaba advertised for a programmer motivator with “recognizably good looks” in 2015 but deleted the ad after being criticized by Chinese internet users.

Ms. Shen started work at Chainfin.com, a consumer finance company, in October. She declined to disclose her salary, but Zhang Jing, a human resources executive who hired Ms. Shen, said it was around $950 a month.

Ms. Shen came to Beijing from the northeastern province of Heilongjiang. She has long black hair and pale skin and wears red eye shadow to the office, where she always has a ready smile for her colleagues. They call her by her nickname, Yueyue, which translates to Joy.

At Chainfin.com, the bulk of her work is tending the front desk, organizing social events, ordering snacks for tea breaks and chatting with the programmers. She may call a programmer to a conference room and ask him, “Did you have to work overtime?” before listening to his various frustrations.

“I thought it was really novel,” Ms. Shen said, “because I had never seen such a job before.”

On a recent Friday, she approached Guo Zhenjie, 28, who has a foldout bed next to his desk. Ms. Shen asked whether his waist was still hurting from the long hours at his desk. He said, yes, he had been working till 10 or 11 for the past few nights.

“The company’s intention is for me to give you a massage, though my technique might not be great,” Ms. Shen told Mr. Guo.


I can see Equation contemplating a career change once he reads this.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
With China having access to IC foundries across the Taiwan Straits, long as China can design the chips, it'll be fine.

If the US told the Taiwanese to stop receiving order from China ... Taiwan would simply do that ....... unfortunately

The best way is for China to setup the top notch foundries ... I know there are few already in China and the most advanced (Chinese) seems SMIC with 28 nm process node technology. The world most advanced process node currently is 10nm .. so still way way to go (28nm ... 22 nm, 14nm and 10nm), about 3 generations behind than TSMC, Intel, Samsung or Global Foundries
 
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If the US told the Taiwanese to stop receiving order from China ... Taiwan would simply do that ....... unfortunately

The best way is for China to setup the top notch foundries ... I know there are few already in China and the most advanced (Chinese) seems SMIC with 28 nm process node technology. The world most advanced process node currently is 10nm .. so still way way to go (28nm ... 22 nm, 14nm and 10nm), about 3 generations behind than TSMC, Intel, Samsung or Global Foundries

Yes and No TSMC has already built a 12in Wafer facility in China so orders will just be fulfilled from China based foundries business is business! It

Interesting article on the Chinese push in Semiconductors, pretty massive investments and talent poaching in this area!

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End of the day it depends if the Dutch play ball ASML supplies two thirds of the world's lithography kit, kick that into touch and you're looking at a much steeper development curve!
 

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Captain
If the US told the Taiwanese to stop receiving order from China ... Taiwan would simply do that ....... unfortunately

The best way is for China to setup the top notch foundries ... I know there are few already in China and the most advanced (Chinese) seems SMIC with 28 nm process node technology. The world most advanced process node currently is 10nm .. so still way way to go (28nm ... 22 nm, 14nm and 10nm), about 3 generations behind than TSMC, Intel, Samsung or Global Foundries
TSMC's market capitalization is 40% of Taiwan's GDP, and will probably hit 50% by year's end.

Taipei isn't going to tell TSMC to do anything that TSMC doesn't want to do.
 

vincent

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I don't see amything wrong with "women motivator"Seeing pretty women always brighten the day specially for nerd. Vincent where are you here is your relaxer.

Unfortunately the company I worked in didn't have them when i was working in China :mad:
 
Why Can’t China Make Semiconductors?
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After decades of failure, it may now be on the right track.
April 30, 2018


since I now read it, I post:
Jack Ma says he's
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for China to make semiconductors at home. It's a longstanding goal for the Chinese government. And thanks to a recent
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on certain technology exports by the U.S., it's now a critical one. The question is whether China can finally conquer this challenge after decades of failures.

Semiconductors are the building blocks of electronics, found in everything from flip phones to the servers that make up a supercomputer. Although China long ago mastered the art of making products with semiconductors produced elsewhere (the iPhone is the most famous example), it wants to move beyond being a mere assembler. It aspires to being an originator of products and ideas, especially in cutting-edge industries such as autonomous cars. For that, it needs its own semiconductors.

That's no small challenge. China is currently the world's biggest chip market, but it manufactures only 16 percent of the semiconductors it uses domestically. It imports about $200 billion worth annually -- a value exceeding its oil imports. To cultivate a domestic industry, the government has slashed taxes for chip makers and plans to invest as much as
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to become a world leader in design and manufacturing. Yet as history shows, spending won't be enough.

China's earliest semiconductor was built in 1956, not long after the technology was invented in the U.S. But thanks to the turmoil of the Cultural Revolution, whatever momentum its engineers and scientists had was soon lost. When the country reopened for business in the 1970s, officials quickly realized that semiconductors would be a key part of any future market-based economy.

Almost from the start, though, central planning proved to be a serious impediment. Early government ideas included importing secondhand Japanese semiconductor lines that were outdated before they were even shipped. Expensive efforts to build a domestic industry from scratch in the 1990s faltered due to bureaucracy, delays and a lack of customers for the kind of chips China was making.

Another weakness was a lack of capital. For decades, labor-intensive industries -- such as assembling mobile phones -- were the route to riches in China, attracting investment from entrepreneurs and bureaucrats alike. Making semiconductors, by contrast, requires billions in up-front capital and can take a decade or more to see a return. In 2016, Intel Corp. alone spent
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on R&D. Few if any Chinese companies have that capacity or the experience to make such an investment rationally. And central planners typically resist that kind of risky and far-sighted spending.

China seems to recognize this problem. Since 2000, it has shifted away from subsidizing semiconductor research and production, and toward making equity investments, in the hope that market forces could play a larger role. Yet funds continue to be misallocated: Over the past 18 months, there's been a spate of government-juiced
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in semiconductor plants, many of which lack sufficient technology. Those that eventually open will likely contribute to a glut in memory chips, spelling financial trouble for the domestic industry.

But perhaps the biggest long-term challenge for China is technology acquisition. Though the government would like to develop an industry from the ground up, its best efforts are still one or two generations behind the U.S. A logical solution would be to buy technology from American companies or form partnerships with them. That's the route
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by cutting-edge firms in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

Yet China can't do the same. Its efforts to
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American semiconductor companies (often at huge premiums) are regularly blocked for security reasons. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have put Chinese acquisitions under similar scrutiny. By one
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, China has made $34 billion in bids for U.S. semiconductor companies alone since 2015, yet completed only $4.4 billion in deals globally in that span.

Despite these impediments, China has actually made substantial strides in recent years. Companies such as Shanghai-based Spreadtrum Communications Inc. are designing semiconductors for mobile phones and other technologies, then outsourcing production to foreign plants. Meanwhile, China's considerable investment in factories that make older technologies has provided managers, engineers and scientists some crucial lessons in how to run a semiconductor fabrication business.

None of these efforts will provide the shortcuts that government officials -- and Jack Ma -- seem to want. But they might offer the building blocks for an industry that China has spent half a century trying and failing to create.
 

nugroho

Junior Member
If the US told the Taiwanese to stop receiving order from China ... Taiwan would simply do that ....... unfortunately

The best way is for China to setup the top notch foundries ... I know there are few already in China and the most advanced (Chinese) seems SMIC with 28 nm process node technology. The world most advanced process node currently is 10nm .. so still way way to go (28nm ... 22 nm, 14nm and 10nm), about 3 generations behind than TSMC, Intel, Samsung or Global Foundries

Agree, but China does not need to follow 28, 22, 14, 10, 7 ,..... Smic did 28 and jump to 14, we did not know it would do 10 or jump again to 7.
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