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3 Charts Show That China's Scientific Dominance Over The US Is A Done Deal

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Researchers prepare medicine at a laboratory in Nanjing University in China. The clinical trials business has gone global as drugmakers seek cheaper venues for studies.

Anyone who watched the moon landing or uses the internet can attest to the strong tradition of scientific innovation in the United States. But China is now poised to blow past the U.S. to become dominant in science and engineering, as it has already done in global trade.

A team of researchers from the University of Michigan and Peking University in Beijing published a study highlighting China's growing scientific dominance in a recent issue of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Specifically, they focused on China's potential to knock the U.S. out of its spot as the world's undisputed leader in the science, tech, engineering, and math fields — collectively called STEM.

The researchers write: "Two recent reports by the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine have raised concerns that the United States may soon lose its scientific leadership role and suffer negative economic consequences."

These three charts make their case.

China is churning out a staggering number of science graduates.
While China and the U.S. currently award science and engineering degrees to an equivalent proportion of their populations, China has sharply increased the number of graduates in these fields — and the U.S. does not seem poised to catch up anytime soon.

Chinese students also receive more American doctoral degrees in science and engineering than any other foreign students. Between 1987 and 2010, there was a threefold increase in the number of Chinese students in these programs (from 15,000 to 43,000).

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Blackstone

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LOL, yet another alarmist article on putting a fork in the US. I heard this crap in the 1970s during Jimmy Carter's stagflation days (Obama probably took lessons from that one), and in the 80s on how the US is finished and Japan will kick our ass. The same tired old song was trotted out during the dot-com crash in the 90s, and again in the global economics collapse of 2008. Articles like those are as phony as 3-dollar bills.

America is in a tight spot, and Team Obama has done great harm to the nation. But she is the most inventive and innovation nation in the world, and will no doubt bounce back even stronger. Those that count on the demise of the US (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, The Soviet Union, Red China, and the Democrat Party) will always be disappointed.
 

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To be fair, the article isn't exactly predicting the demise of the US.
A prediction in overtaking of scientific productivity isn't really that different to a prediction in overtaking of GDP size.

However, I think it is more difficult to predict something like nations' scientific prowess versus one another, compared to overall GDP, and this particular article does have slight alarmist undertones while dumbing down a complex relationship.
 

broadsword

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3 Charts Show That China's Scientific Dominance Over The US Is A Done Deal

It's not yet a done deal. Not when there are more Nobel winners, innovations, discoveries and inventions from America.
Everyday, you can find scientific and technological development news coming from the America while the Chinese Academy of Science does not seem to produce enough for us to fill this thread. I even had to discourage pollution news from clogging this thread.
 

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3 Charts Show That China's Scientific Dominance Over The US Is A Done Deal

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Not sure about the rest but the # of degrees awarded is basically meaningless. The one thing America still has is the entrepreneurial and can do spirit which many countries haven't really come close. A lot of our most innovative citizens don't even have 'real' college degrees. We also continue to be the land of immigrants and the brightest minds continue to come to our shores. Folks like Elon Musk, Sergey Brin is not your typical American. The same cannot be said about most other countries.
A lot of kids in Asian countries also study just to pass exams which in the real world is again not as simple. You need real talents and not just someone who has been trained to memorize test questions.
 

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Not sure about the rest but the # of degrees awarded is basically meaningless. The one thing America still has is the entrepreneurial and can do spirit which many countries haven't really come close. A lot of our most innovative citizens don't even have 'real' college degrees. We also continue to be the land of immigrants and the brightest minds continue to come to our shores. Folks like Elon Musk, Sergey Brin is not your typical American. The same cannot be said about most other countries.
A lot of kids in Asian countries also study just to pass exams which in the real world is again not as simple. You need real talents and not just someone who has been trained to memorize test questions.

Innovations can come from anywhere at anyplace. America is not the only place of innovation. Do you think guys like Elon Musk or Sergey Brin doesn't have talented scientists and engineers to do the grunt work of R & D to make their firms successful? Those guys sends special to China and India just to look for talent.
 

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It's not yet a done deal. Not when there are more Nobel winners, innovations, discoveries and inventions from America.
Everyday, you can find scientific and technological development news coming from the America while the Chinese Academy of Science does not seem to produce enough for us to fill this thread. I even had to discourage pollution news from clogging this thread.

Nobel awards were only giving in the last 100 years or so. If it were to go back to anther 5,000 years and you'll see China would be the one dominating in that field of Nobel winners, therefore Nobel prizes is a poor indication of overall measurements of scientific and mathematics achievements.
 

Equation

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LOL, yet another alarmist article on putting a fork in the US. I heard this crap in the 1970s during Jimmy Carter's stagflation days (Obama probably took lessons from that one), and in the 80s on how the US is finished and Japan will kick our ass. The same tired old song was trotted out during the dot-com crash in the 90s, and again in the global economics collapse of 2008. Articles like those are as phony as 3-dollar bills.

America is in a tight spot, and Team Obama has done great harm to the nation. But she is the most inventive and innovation nation in the world, and will no doubt bounce back even stronger. Those that count on the demise of the US (Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, The Soviet Union, Red China, and the Democrat Party) will always be disappointed.

How can you know for sure she'll "bounce back" at all? How, and through what plan? Cliche sayings has not brought the US back to what it once was and never will. Why? Because times are changing and so is the world.
 

Equation

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To be fair, the article isn't exactly predicting the demise of the US.
A prediction in overtaking of scientific productivity isn't really that different to a prediction in overtaking of GDP size.

However, I think it is more difficult to predict something like nations' scientific prowess versus one another, compared to overall GDP, and this particular article does have slight alarmist undertones while dumbing down a complex relationship.

It's not so much about a prediction or comparison, but I look at it as a culture of learning and wanting to be scientists and engineers are more prevalent in China than in America.
 

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BEIJING - China has launched a country-specific human proteome project, a genome decoding initiative expected to bring forward new methods to prevent and treat major endemic diseases.
The Beijing-based Academy of Military Medical Sciences held a meeting on Tuesday to arrange research work, marking the official launch of the China Human Proteome Project (CNHPP).
The project targets developing devices and technologies needed in proteome research as well as charting human proteome biological and pathological profiles, according to the project's official statement.
The profiles will show the effects of disease on the proteome, reveal the cause and development of diseases and help discover new treatment methods, the statement said.
China has made headway in the research field in the last four years, according to the statement. Chinese scientists have published over 1,000 papers in major international scientific journals, ranking second among nations.
 
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