Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Okay opinion Jeff
I was Playing Call of Duty Ghosts... Yes I know I know video game and all that, I can point out over two dozen plot holes and breaks in reality my self. But any way in one of the levels the Federation of Latin America navy has a destroyer based on the Independence class LCS. In the game the mission is to sink her so you never see more then the bow and the undersides of the hull. Question do you think that a independence based hull could be used for a guided missile destroyer?
 

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The Navy restructured the LCS procurement plan from four ships each in 2015 and 2016, and two thereafter, to three per year starting in 2015 — part of a newly directed scheme to examine LCS alternatives after 32 ships. The three-per-year laydown, however, breaks the last ship of 10-ship block buys awarded to each of the two building teams, meaning that one ship will need some sort of contract modification.

FY 2015 request

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This year commissioned : Coronado/Independence the 4th and Milwaukee/Freedom in more maybe Jackson/Independence ?
 

Jeff Head

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Okay opinion Jeff
I was Playing Call of Duty Ghosts... Yes I know I know video game and all that, I can point out over two dozen plot holes and breaks in reality my self. But any way in one of the levels the Federation of Latin America navy has a destroyer based on the Independence class LCS. In the game the mission is to sink her so you never see more then the bow and the undersides of the hull. Question do you think that a independence based hull could be used for a guided missile destroyer?

Well, let me split this into to two questions.

1) Can the Independence class vessel be turned into a guided-missile combatant, capable of significant AAW, ASuW, and anti-land warfare? Yes.

2) Can the resulting vessel be classified as a destroyer? No, I do not think so. Even the most agressive modifications to the existing trimaren design, the ones that call for adding AEGIS capability to it with Mk-41 VLS capability, will not bring its displacement up enough to consider it a DDG.


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The above pic is the proposed GD upgraded Independence class with AEGIS. You can see the two VLS cells amidships, along the side of the deck house, forward of the hanger. There's one on each side. I believe they woudl each be 16 cell launchers.

This version shows two quad cannisters forwad of the deck house. I know that there is provisions there for anbother 16 cell Mk-41. That is what I would do, add another 16 cless there and lose the 2 quad pack SSMs. So, you could load it up with 48 Mk-41 VLS cells.

In those cells, if you included AEGIS, you could laod up anything from SM-6, to ESSM, to Tomahawks, to LRASMs.

You see two 20mm Phalanx on the deck house for CIWS. You could also put two SeaRAM launchers there..22 more AAW missiles, or perhaps one normal RAM launchers and a couple of those 30mm autocannons that the current Freedom class carriers.

Anyhow, the current Independence class is 3,000 tons full load. If you do all of the above you may push 4,500 tons and end up with a vessel armed as follows:

48 x Mk-41 Cells (SM-6, ESSM, Tomahawk, LRASM)
01 x 57mm DP naval gun
01 x RAM with 21 Cells
02 x 30mm auto cannons
02 x SeaHawk helos w/hanger

Now, someone would have to look hard at the existing Independence hull design and see if it can handle that extra weight...but I have to presume GD did that when putting forth that proposal in the concept art above. That would be a very decent frigate...but I would not call it a DDG.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Agreed, Only a smaller tonnage navy would consider it a destroyer. Both hulls have potential as Frigates and Cutter types but one would have to be far more ambitious in order to use the Trimarian Hull type for a true DDG,
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Jeff Head

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Agreed, Only a smaller tonnage navy would consider it a destroyer. Both hulls have potential as Frigates and Cutter types but one would have to be far more ambitious in order to use the Trimarian Hull type for a true DDG,
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One of Spain's concepts for the replacement for their Oliver Hazard Perry class Frigates looks something like that pic.

It's their F-110 future frigate design, due to replace the OHPs as they go out of service beginning around 2020 or 2022. Here's how it looks:

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Supposedly about 5,000 tons with 32 VLS forward, a main gun (76mm?), a secondary gun, hanger for two helos, torpedo tubes (probably 2 x 3) and a modular mission module and small stern launch area.
 
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Jeff Head

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I'm not sure about the question, but check this:

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These contracts are for the 7th and 8th builds of each type of LCS...a total of four ships.

Four ships have already been delivered. Ships three through six of both (a total of eight more ships) have already been awarded and are in some stage of construction or planning. That's a total of twelve ships fully funded so far.

The new contracts will add four more ships bringing the total number to 16 when they are completed, or eight of each. That's half of the current build plans.

All of them need better ASuW armament. I believe in terms of ASW and AAW they will be fine for their roles...but they need at least four, and probably eight, long range anti-surface missiles.
 
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All of them need better ASuW armament. I believe in terms of ASW and AAW they will be fine for their roles...but they need at least four, and probably eight, long range anti-surface missiles.

I'm old school :) so I don't understand the USN LCS, don't know it (OK, I happen to know there are two of them) as I again realized just now: I thought there was this Mission Module available also for engaging surface targets, but it's not that simple, is it?
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says
NO anti-ship missiles or VLS system
under
Surface Attack
part of the chart in the middle

So what's going to happen in this respect, installing Harpoon canisters??
 
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