JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[skyhawk2005]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

China will never put the WP-13 on it cos its TURPOJET engine not Turbofan...and don't come giving me the bullshit that turbojets still have their place in the modern aviation industry cos they don't.



yeas...althoug roughly the same weight and diameters, RD-33 is almoust twice as long as the Spey...
But can it go anotherway around? Spey/WS-9 on the FC-1?

A turbofan is a turbojet with turbine blades in the front. Any turbojet can be converted into a turbofan, very easily.

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

A turbofan is a turbojet with turbine blades in the front. Any turbojet can be converted into a turbofan, very easily.

Yeas, turpofan is a turpojet whit fans, everyone knows that. But "any turbojet can be convered to turpofan EASILY" is bullshit. It's complex mechanical desing prosess requiring lots of know-how...or by following your logic, China would have produced indegenious turpofans years ago...

 

[FreeAsia2000]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

Why is China doing this?

First of all, the FC1/JF17 will be mainly a Pakistani plane. Sure, China may export some FC1s but even then, it will have to share it's profits 50/50 with Pakistan.

I don't understand the need for China to do this when it has J10, J11, and JXX. The FC1 shouldn't be inducted into China's airforce. It's range is too short, and aside from price, there is nothing the FC1 can do that the J10 cannot do better.

China should be devoting its resources to completing the WS10A. And developing JXX. Even the J10/J11 are merely stopgaps, not a final solution because third generation planes are insufficient to match fourth generation stealth fighters like the F22.

China is acting strategically. China wants to remove Pakistan's reasons
for relying on America. Pakistan agreed because at the time Pakistan
had no reason to believe it would ever be getting any equipment from
America.

It has to do with long term military procurement plans and politics

 

[adeptitus]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

China is acting strategically. China wants to remove Pakistan's reasons
for relying on America. Pakistan agreed because at the time Pakistan
had no reason to believe it would ever be getting any equipment from
America.
It has to do with long term military procurement plans and politics

Aye

Any weapon sales from Washington require notification and approval from the US Congress. In other words the changing winds of US politics can affect your supply of weapons, munitions, and parts.

The US made Block 52+ F-16's are better - they're techically mature, mass produced and ready to roll down the assembly line. The FC-1/JF-17 is not a proven warplane. But Pakistan can depend on PRC to supply parts and munitions in the future.

An inferior JF-17 in flying condition, is better than a superior F-16 in non-flying condition.

 

[MIGleader]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

i dont think pakistans f-16s are going to be much better that the new fc-1. their f-16s are not so advanced. but pakistan nneds to shre the radar with china.

 

[tphuang]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

if the PAF gets block 50/52, it would be significantly better than FC-1.

 

[tphuang]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

Why is China doing this?

First of all, the FC1/JF17 will be mainly a Pakistani plane. Sure, China may export some FC1s but even then, it will have to share it's profits 50/50 with Pakistan.

I don't understand the need for China to do this when it has J10, J11, and JXX. The FC1 shouldn't be inducted into China's airforce. It's range is too short, and aside from price, there is nothing the FC1 can do that the J10 cannot do better.

China should be devoting its resources to completing the WS10A. And developing JXX. Even the J10/J11 are merely stopgaps, not a final solution because third generation planes are insufficient to match fourth generation stealth fighters like the F22.

well, why is Russia producing su-30mki and su-30mkk? newer innovation, sell to keep the industry going. Remember, China will probably gets first hand examination over the Western radar put on JF-17. That will really be helpful in our avionics development.

 

[skyhawk2005]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

well, why is Russia producing su-30mki and su-30mkk? newer innovation, sell to keep the industry going. Remember, China will probably gets first hand examination over the Western radar put on JF-17. That will really be helpful in our avionics development.

Pakistan is going to get the JF17 free. And any export of the FC1, Pakistan also receives 50%. I don't think the FC1 will earn that much revenue for China.

They should export J10s if they want revenue.

 

[FreeAsia2000]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

skyhawk

China see's Pakistan as it's way of opening up the middle-eastern, south-east asian and central asian market.

In effect Pakistan is paving the way for China to export it's weapons to them in the future. In addition Pakistan with it's much coveted american 'rogue' status can hardly be expected to abide by international norms when exporting weapons. China doing the same would have diplomatic problems.

Pakistan frequently acts as a fulcrum for China's policies with other countries.
Eg Pakistan acted as a go between to improve Sino-American ties during the 1970's.

Don't be confused by the weaving hand...look at the gaze

 

[MIGleader]

Re: Test Flaws Postpone JF-17

no skyhawk, pakistan is buying the first fc-1's not for free.