JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Wolverine said:
Um, Su-30MK2's are two-seaters, like the Su-30MKK's from which they are derived. Single-seat strike aircraft aren't ideal to say the least, that's why in so many air forces the roles are separated into pilot and WSO. That's why the J-11B IMO will be primarily A-to-A with some A-to-G and J-11BS will be primarily A-to-G with some A-to-A. Like the F-15C and F-15E.


Maybe, but I did say I was speculating. The point was that the J-11B isn't automatically going to have a larger overall RCS just because it's bigger. Anyway, we are way off topic now, so I'll just leave it at that.
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Let's just drop this topic or at least continue it in the flanker thread. It's JF-17 here.

Also, let's drop this 5m^2 RCS on J-11B part. That came from an article on JDW and all I can say that JDW is very inaccurate on PLA related stuff.
 
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tphuang said:
Let's just drop this topic or at least continue it in the flanker thread. It's JF-17 here.

Also, let's drop this 5m^2 RCS on J-11B part. That came from an article on JDW and all I can say that JDW is very inaccurate on PLA related stuff.
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according to 2001 issue of iDR,about RAM application of fighter aircraft.article exam about the use of RAM coating of existing fighter aircraft such F-18A, MRCA,F-15 and -16.example, F-18A uses 35kg of RAM material.
by far the most difficult aircraft is MiG-29 and SU-27,this is due to the straight inlet.
 
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MKI intake... Straight as possible with lots of oppertunities to reflect...

Su-30MKI_intake_FOD_mesh.jpg


Thanks to BRF.
 
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I think with AWACS and other integrated advances, doctrines of advanced air forces are changing, and we can expect to see similar changes in China and Pakistan in the future. Less emphasis is placed on the capability/range of a fighter's own radar... fighters are vectored in using situational awareness and intelligence provided by ground stations, advanced scouts and AWACS, and fighters only turn on their own radars at the last moment in order to engage. So the fighters' own radar will no longer be the primary means of detecting the enemy.

This definitely eliminates any advantage flankers would have over the J-10 in air-to-air combat.

You can see that even with the availability of dramatically superior radars, the USAF is reluctant to spend the money fitting their large fleet of F-16's and F-15's with them. That's because in their current doctrine, an improved fighter radar will not make a big difference (at least that's the conclusion I'm drawing).

F-22 is a bit different, because it is specifically expected to sneak in stealthily far behind enemy lines where it may not necessarily have support of other assets.
 
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mean_bird said:
Could you give us a brief summary for those of us who do not understand Mandarin?
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The video says nothing much. Just those repeated story. From Super-7 to Xianlong FC-1. The video did stress, FC-1 is able to born due to Pakistan involvement and pushing/funding of the project. Resulting co-sharing with Chinese side over the FC-1. China F-7 evolvement is unable to satisfy foreign customer especially Pakistan side. A newly design cheap F-16 plane is needed to compete for foreign procurement

Sounds like Chinese has totally no interest on FC-1. Chinese side is only interested in selling these planes for foreign customer and learn money and it is CAC one side affiar to try sell FC-1 to PLAAF.

It also claim when FC-1 was born, many foreign countries has enquired about this plane and show strong interest in buying it. They also wanted to emulate Pakistan in co-production of it.
 
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pretty much like what's said above, they mentioned that Pakistan is paying $1 billion USD for the 42 JF-17s in the first batch. Turns out a little more expensive than i thought, but I think that also includes the sale of the assembly line.
 
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