Japanese ships disrupted Chinese naval exercises

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solarz said:

Samurai Blue, if you don't want to get banned from here, I suggest you keep your posts on topic. This thread is not about the island dispute, it's about the Japanese disruption of Chinese naval exercises. We've had threads about the former, and they've all been closed for a reason. Since you're new here, I will give you the benefit of doubt and not assume that you're a troll.

To the other posters, please don't get dragged into the political argument. We've all been there before, many times in fact, and it inevitably ends up in the thread getting locked.

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Excellent post... Exactly what I told him/her a few posts back

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vesicles said:

I thought in that incident, it was the Chinese who asked for data of the actual locking and the Japanese official refused to show the actual data...

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Haven't heard about that. After Japanese ministry started a press conference stating that after analysing data it was FC radar which China denied stating it was observation radar. Mid March Kyodo informed that high ranked PLA Navy's officers said it was indeed FC radar and added that instead of a formal doctrine it was done solely on Chinese vessel's CO 'urgent decision' (disregarding the normal chain from the top?). The data was there from the start so that Chinese side won't say 'It's absurd' and that's why it took almost a week for Japanese to be 100% certain about that and not making up fake accusations.

joshuatree said:

The radar incident is as clear as muddy water. You're saying China needs to provide evidence for the current disruption but Japan never provided any evidence about the radar lock either. Japan backed down claiming it was sensitive info but whatever the excuse is, that's how it stands, no evidence provided.

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Chinese side only denied it was FC radar, never heard about them demanding data collected aboard JS Yudachi... Why are you making stories like that before reading?

That's how it went. Regarding the place (red circle) where PLAN conducted the recent drill here are two pictures where the drill of PLAN 'combined fleet' (that would suit pretty much as it was conducted by joint forces of the North, East and South Fleets） as no one made it earlier


Also if someone could provide informations on the matter: did Chinese side provide the exact dates of start and end of the drill (was it like it's written on the picture: １１月初 - early November? though it ended already on 1st). Some users here might not know about the SDF biggest drills in history around Okinawa Archipelago from 1-18 November and why the area has been under much vigilance from Japanese side recently (I suppose).

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What is the international agreement or maritime law regarding navy drill zones in international waters?

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Jeff Head said:

Hard to say. We would need more details...which we are not likely to get.

If the Chinese announced the exercises, and if they were away from normal sea lanes and in international waters, most nations would try and respect the actual exercises, but could also very well send vessels to conduct surveillance and see what electronic communications and sensor data they could pick up. My guess is that the Japanese were there doing that type of thing.

If it involved ships actually hindering the safe and direct navigation of other ships...that would be a different thing and could lead to collissions and dangerous situations.

It just depends on the details...

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10:41 am Oct 25: the DD-107 destroyer JS Ikazuchi ignores the chinese warning, sailed between the chinese ship, and remained there until 7:32 am Oct 28. Meanwhile, several Japanese maritime patrol aircraft enter the exercise area and interfere with the conduct of the exercise.

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adeptitus said:

What is the international agreement or maritime law regarding navy drill zones in international waters?

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In the big picture, it's legal for nations to conduct exercises in international waters and it's legal for others to monitor those exercises. China needs to get over its objections of others keeping close eyes on it.

The latest Sino-Japanese spat is just another in a long line of incidents and conflicts stretching back thousands of years between two people that don't like each other. I just hope we don't allow our vassal state drag us into kinetic actions with China.

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Reminder: This thread is about naval exercises, not about territorial disputes between China and Japan. Don't get off topic!

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If some dude takes off his pants and run on the field in the middle of an NFL game, what will everyone think of that?

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Blackstone said:

In the big picture, it's legal for nations to conduct exercises in international waters and it's legal for others to monitor those exercises. China needs to get over its objections of others keeping close eyes on it.
The latest Sino-Japanese spat is just another in a long line of incidents and conflicts stretching back thousands of years between two people that don't like each other. I just hope we don't allow our vassal state drag us into kinetic actions with China.

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The question is regarding drill zones. If a navy setups up a time-limited, live-fire drill zone in international waters, what are the international agreements or maritime law's regulations on the drill zone, and are other nation's ships required to stay clear of the live-fire drill zone for the limited duration?

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vincent said:

If some dude takes off his pants and run on the field in the middle of an NFL game, what will everyone think of that?

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"Not AGAIN!! Somebody stop that freaken idiot!"
its been done before.

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Rutim said:

Mid March Kyodo informed that high ranked PLA Navy's officers said it was indeed FC radar and added that instead of a formal doctrine it was done solely on Chinese vessel's CO 'urgent decision' (disregarding the normal chain from the top?).

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The *ONLY* source of that claim comes from Japanese media. It was never confirmed by the Chinese side, or any independent third-party, for that matter. And since the Japanese side ultimately refused to show their evidence, it is fair to say that this claim is just a baseless rumour, if not outright fabrication.

Now the Japanese side is denying that a disruption took place. What are the chances that a Japanese vessel intruded into Chinese naval drill zone, and the Chinese didn't record that intrusion? So for Japan to deny the charge is rather foolish.