Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Radar

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    the dispute about the Diaoyu island is an on-going issue, I think we should keep a thread open, anyway it's hard to seperate military from politics.

     
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    I find this sentence hilarious.
    "He did not reveal where the two incidents took place, saying it would provide classified information about MSDF operations."

    As if the PLAN didn't know where the helicopter is after locking on to it. He clearly lacks the basic understanding of how radars work despite being the defence minister of Japan, probably should sack him right away to save some face.

    The other interpretation is if he thinks the populace is a greater danger than PLAN, which leads me to believe those helicopters are not really where they should be.
     
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    Yeah that quote got me thinking too, if there is classified MSDF operations going on here, maybe what the MSDF was doing compelled the CN ships to perceive they were threatened. The Japanese did suggest tracer fire previously so that's already a scenario the CN side no doubt anticipated.
     
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    Re: Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Ra

    I understand from the news report that there are basically two types of radar targetting - "guide mode" vs. "track mode" with the former being more serious. I want to ask the question what is the typical SOP (if any) if either type of radar targetting is being placed on you by a foreign vessel? What are the operating parameters in which the navy crews say USN can take in respond to such type of imminent threat? Just wondering how serious is such an issue.
     
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    At the Chinese side there're already cautions that the Japanese is playing the same trick they did almost a century ago - making something up to "justify" further escalations of tension; in this case, either to prep the upcoming visit to US, or whipping up the public opinion in the coming constitutional reform, giving Japan the "act of war as national policy" which the right-wing hawks are so eager for.

    It's easy, because most would choose to believe Japan's side of story rather than China's, and secondly there's no third impartial party to provide evidence that such thing did take place....meanwhile 99% of the people would ignore the part of "why on Earth that the MSDF have to get that close (3 klicks is bloody close when you talk about naval warfare) in the first place" and most importantly, the "where that took place" question, which the Japanese obviously avoided to answer.
     
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    Where naval warships are, what they are doing, and for what reason is considered to be a secret, on a need to know basis, even in the public sphere by everyone. The USN doesn't publish where exactly its warships are, what they are doing, and why.
     
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    Re: Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Ra

    I read somewhere that the JMSDF ship was within three kilometers of the PLAN ship... I'm curious, is that considered quite close for two factions who are currently under less than friendly ties? (think cold war, US and soviet navies)

    Regardless, China and Japan need some proper dialogue over how to deal with future exercises. Either get some kind of minimum observing distance or one day an accident may actually arise.
     
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    Japan clearly does not respect the Chinese victory in the Second Sino-Japanese war.

    This is why China should decisively extinguish all Japanese hopes for attempts to gain a permanent seat on the UNSC council and ABSOLUTELY ENSURE that Japanese militarism is extinguished for atleast another 10,000 years, even through the threat of absolute sealane interdiction of Japanese commerce/trade and nuking the shit out of Japan if she dares to re-militarize again.
     
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    The "where" part can make or break one's case-was that in international/Japan's/China's waters? What's the course and vector of the PLAN ships?- as they can affect the justification of whatever actions followed.

    And more importantly JMSDF warships get that close to PLAN warships at times like this...or vice versa, as I've said before, 3 klicks is too bloody close, getting that close to the other side is either an act of challenge or worse, hostile intent.

    So don't discount those details like the way you do. At least for now, it's evident that Japan wants to escalate the situation.
     
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    Re: Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Ra

    Good questions to which I look forward to anyone with insight sharing. I also read that during this whole situation twice, there were no communications between the two which makes me wonder why no warning/inquisitive calls from the Japanese side if they are protesting now on such matters. Were they equally locking on the Chinese ships as well? Afterall, this is a "he said, she said" scenario right now.


    Yes but if you're the one filing a protest, some facts need to be given to establish validity of protest. Otherwise, anyone can fabricate protests all they want. I also find the statement a little ironic given how other nations voice concerns that the Chinese military is not transparent enough.
     
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