J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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    D.p.........................
     
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    It would have been much more convincing if some of these Russian military fans could open their somewhat loud mouths about how Chinese have copied their 5th generation technologies AFTER Russia has successfully developed a real 5th generation fighter in the first place:

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    Sure it looks like China have copied alot of Russian techs to develop a 5th generation fighter.
     
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    Guys the broad cast is on today, again. Will the J-20 fly or will it just do a taxi run? Stay tuned to find out.
     
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    LOL! This time each day for the last 3 days! Lets hope our anxieties gets relieved today! :eek:
     
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    From what we have seen: the design, the material, aerodynamic and workmanship of the Chinese J-20 are way ahead of any Russian airplanes. I personally believe, the Chinese aerospace production technologies is at least 15 years more advanced than Russian's. MIG 1.44 has no connections to J-20 at all. All Toyota's, Honda's, Fords, BMW's, VW's and Hyundai's, as well as Tata's are all look alike. Were they all copies of the Ford Model-T?
     
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    I definitely wouldn't say 15 years more advanced... but asymptote's assumption is compltely off the mark too.
     
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    ... right. And when it does fly?
    The fact that we can't see the rivets and details is due to the paint scheme. I wonder if that's why CAC used that shade.
    YF-22 and YF-23 both had fancy paint jobs, which made the details hard to see too. So I suppose they must've looked to everyone like one piece mock ups too.


    Sure, we have no idea -- but we all know avionics are one of the stronger points in the Chinese aerospace industry...
    And how can you tell the ventral fins and engines seem "weak"? They're obviously there for the prototype, and that's to be expected.

    Actually the whole plane reminds me of the wright brothers wright flyer 2 -- canards and all moving tail...

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    When the PAK FA prototype first came out -- did you think that "felt" like a tech demonstrator with a lot of unresolved details? Their canopy wasn't one piece, it had an unstealthy IRST, not extensive serration, unstealthy engine nozzle, unstealthy backside etc etc which could all be called unresolved details.
    Of course those details were unresolved because it was a prototype.


    Was there any evidence they were working on plasma stealth for Mig 1.44? Probably, definitely no. They were working on a bad design without the necessary stealth shaping. Period.


    Again, is there any evidence they were working on plasma stealth for Mig MFI?
    The likeliest answer they ditched the Mig MFI was due to economic reasons and also that it just wasn't stealthy enough to go against the ATF.


    If the canards were the "problem" they could've easily discarded them for only delta. The problem was in the general design of the aircraft itself, and the economic problems they faced.
     
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    have you actually looked at close up shots of this plane? seen the ones with the landing gear hatches open? they look like fibreglass to you? you think that fibreglass can withstand the take-off rotations this plane has done?

    my car is smooth as hell with no rivets on the outside and i can see my face reflecting from the paint. but guess what... its made of aluminium and carbon fibre... no fibreglass

    bare in mind that there are 2 prototypes one of which has some yellow, unpainted panels exposed and no company would build 2 planes with different engines purely as tech demonstrators let alone 4, as we have reports that CAC are assembling another 2 J-20 planes

    the chinese obviously made the effort to make the plane look presentable before displaying it in public and by looking at the way you come to conclusions firstly it shows the level of in-depth evaluation - or lack thereof - that you possess and also the level of maturity at which you interpret evidence and data available on hand
     
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    Lets stop this meaningless PAK-FA vs J-20 topic, it goes nowhere and I bet in the end we all, including even the russians, know which one is better, thats the point.

    Which also explain why its always the russians to trying to downplay the J-20 instead of the other way around (the Chinese poster could careless about PAK-FA, unless there are some soap graspe military fanboys brought out this funny issues again and again, like how China copied Russian's 5th generation tech blah blah, talks almost as if they really believe Russia has 5th generation techs to steal in the first place), not seems like they are still remain quite calm when J-20 shows up, hehehe.
     
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    This is China L-15 06 "smooth" prototype and it flys!

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