J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Deleted member 13312]

I've wondered for a while, whether J-16 and J-10C may share a similar kind of "stealthy" datalink that J-20 was expected to also have (like an IFDL or MADL equivalent), considering all three aircraft would've likely had many elements of their avionics suite requirements put forwards in about the same timespan.

After all the rest of the PLA fleet already has a Link 16 equivalent (JSILDS), but of course JSILDS probably would not be stealthy in the way that IFDL or MALD would be, so it would make sense for J-10C and J-16 to have the ability to interface with JSILDS equipped non-stealthy aircraft in the rest of the fleet, as will as interface with J-20 directly using J-20's expected stealthy datalink.


Such an implementation would certainly enhance the effectiveness of J-20 as well as J-16 and J-10C to complement each other better.

That would make perfect sense, seeing as the better part of China's air force for the forseeable future will consist of 4 to 4.5 gen fighters that still have 20-30 years of service life in their air frames. And it will give China a credible fall back in case the J-20 cannot be expected to pull the weight on its own.
4th gen fighters are still going to be with us for a very long time.

The chief engineer of the J-20 program indicates that the aircraft is not only a defensive but especially offensive vector, to eliminate potential threats well beyond the border of the country.

Well to be fair, in recent times almost all modern fighter planes are designed with both offensive and defensive capabilities in mind. Only a few have even been designed to only have defensive capabilities in mind. If defensive is the correct word for it, the only reason why they could be considered as such will be due to their short range and payloads. The F-16, JF-17 and J-10 all fall into this category, and even then it would be more correct to classify them as "on point" fighters, fighters that can be deployed in numbers and can rapidly scramble.

 

[Deino]

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[Hendrik_2000]

Joint exercise of J 20, J10C, J 16
Exercice conjoint des J-10C, J-16 et J-20
When will I see this kind of exercise in SCS?

 

[timepass]

'Not So Invisible After All': Su-30 Manages to Detect Top Chinese Stealth Jet

>> Chengdu J-20 is a 5th Generation Stealth Aircraft.
Yes Stealth doesn’t means invisibility or immortality, but for a Su-30MKI to detect J-20 with its conventional Radar is a very strong claim without any firm bases that is hard to believe for many.
Outer Dynamics of J-20 are clearly stealthy, the Aircraft has a considerably low RCS, and is also Coated with Radar Absorbent material.
As per the details many Analysts belonging to international defence community consider these claims baseless and false. <<

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[plawolf]

'Not So Invisible After All': Su-30 Manages to Detect Top Chinese Stealth Jet

>> Chengdu J-20 is a 5th Generation Stealth Aircraft.
Yes Stealth doesn’t means invisibility or immortality, but for a Su-30MKI to detect J-20 with its conventional Radar is a very strong claim without any firm bases that is hard to believe for many.
Outer Dynamics of J-20 are clearly stealthy, the Aircraft has a considerably low RCS, and is also Coated with Radar Absorbent material.
As per the details many Analysts belonging to international defence community consider these claims baseless and false. <<

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This has already been posted and refuted several times now in this thread.

The Indian ACM said Su30s could detected the J20 from ‘several KM away’, which is fine and true enough. But he never said that they did. The idiots of the Indian media than saw Chinese news reports of J20s training in Tibet and ‘upgraded’ the ACM’s comments based on nothing more than wishful thinking.

Tibet is a vast region, and the J20s were almost certainly never close enough to the boarder for the Indians to even have a remote chance to pick them up seeing how the Chinese had the Su35 at the time, who’s radar is more advanced than those on the Indian MKI, and would thus have provided the PLAAF with an extremely accurate maximum detection range estimate for the MKI to spot the J20.

In addition, China would have extremely accurate performance estimates for the IAF’s Israeli Phalcon AWACS radars seeing how the Israelis originally developed them for the Chinese and the deal to sell them to China was only stopped by the US at an extremely advanced stage.

It would be fairly straight forward for the PLAAF to also calculate expected detection ranges of the J20 by the Phalcon based on that information and how well China’s own AWACS performed against the J20, and thus ensure the J20 is never close enough to the boarder or Indian assets to be picked up, which, after all, is the whole point of 5th gens!

Reports from recent Chinese exercises would suggest not well at all, but then that is somewhat expected and I would be cautious taking that as an objective truth, as let’s be honest, no military is going to publish exercise results that say their brand new top of the line fighter doesn’t perform well.

Even if they design the rules of engagement such as to make it expected for the new fighter to loose, as a ultimate stress test to see just how much it can handle before being overwhelmed, they are not going to declassify those results for general release.

 

[Figaro]

'Not So Invisible After All': Su-30 Manages to Detect Top Chinese Stealth Jet

>> Chengdu J-20 is a 5th Generation Stealth Aircraft.
Yes Stealth doesn’t means invisibility or immortality, but for a Su-30MKI to detect J-20 with its conventional Radar is a very strong claim without any firm bases that is hard to believe for many.
Outer Dynamics of J-20 are clearly stealthy, the Aircraft has a considerably low RCS, and is also Coated with Radar Absorbent material.
As per the details many Analysts belonging to international defence community consider these claims baseless and false. <<

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Are you trying to flame bait by posting this article??? This ridiculous headline was already posted a couple weeks back and generated several pages of useless discussion. Who could have thought that a ridiculous report could incite so much discussion ... and the facts are quite simple. The J-20 does not operate even remotely close to the Tibetan border with India (the only time they ever appeared there was a couple of years ago for endurance testings). As for the Russians (i.e. Sputnik), they know that their precious Su-57 hardly constitutes a low observable fighter, let alone a VLO one ... especially after India just dropped out of the FGFA program.
As per the details many Analysts belonging to international defence community consider these claims baseless and false
Who would've thought?

 

[Equation]

Are you trying to flame bait by posting this article??? This ridiculous headline was already posted a couple weeks back and generated several pages of useless discussion. Who could have thought that a ridiculous report could incite so much discussion ... and the facts are quite simple. The J-20 does not operate even remotely close to the Tibetan border with India (the only time they ever appeared there was a couple of years ago for endurance testings). As for the Russians (i.e. Sputnik), they know that their precious Su-57 hardly constitutes a low observable fighter, let alone a VLO one.

Timepass got suspended by the moderator so I believe he didn't know about it.

 

[davidau]

These had already been posted on the last page. Please check before posting.

Please don't post GIFs. Their poor quality and large size negatively impacts page performance. Thank you.

your no 2494 first two pics direct copy of my no 2493, if they were poor quality why do you use them in your post 2494???
Besides I enjoy those pics and want to share with other members of the forum including nos 2492 [ why someone deleted a couple of pics??] & 2493...

 

[Blitzo]

your no 2494 first two pics direct copy of my no 2493, if they were poor quality why do you use them in your post 2494???
Besides I enjoy those pics and want to share with other members of the forum including nos 2492 [ why someone deleted a couple of pics??] & 2493...

Just please don't post any pictures directly copied from Sina with the Sina watermark, and check whether the picture you've posted might have been posted in the last five pages or so.

 

[antiterror13]

There are many situations where stealth aircraft is valuable in a defensive stance. If the US flies F-22 and F-35s into China, China has no way of shooting them down without approaching to within visual range and launching IR missiles. Radar-guided missiles are ineffective against stealth aircraft.

Non-stealth aircraft are not going to survive the approach to within visual range. All Red Flag exercises show stealth aircraft easily kill non-stealths before the latter even know they're under attack. The J-20 is the only way of defence in such a scenario.

There is no way the US would fly F-22 or F-35 deep into China territory .... it is just a suicide mission, Chinese SAM system is already one of the best in the world