J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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There is a rumor that J-20 beats Su-35's 4:0.
I'll show you something:

I didn't think Pentagon spin-doctors could get more ridiculous than
Feb 15, 2017
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"15:1" not enough: "Although they don’t have an updated figure, the pilots told us that the F-35 kill ratio was higher than the 15-1 figure they initially reported."
will they make it 20 and revoke one "loss"? LOL
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source:
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and I was wrong
Feb 28, 2017
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Feb 15, 2017
LOLOL they just made it 20: "Indeed, while early reports suggested a
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recent Air Force testimony by Lt. Gen. Jerry D. Harris, Vice Commander of Air Combat Command characterized the kill ratio as “20-1” meaning that, for one F-35A “lost” in simulated combat in a high threat environment that the aircraft destroyed 20 simulated enemy aircraft."
Looks like the F-35 achieved an impressive 20:1 kill ratio at Nellis Air Force Base’s Red Flag 17-1
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and even more wrong
Mar 5, 2017
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I guess it's more than your 110% as the USMC increased the USAF "20:1" from Tuesday at 9:40 PM
to 24:0 “In our own analysis we're seeing a consistent ratio more like 24:0 – we're not losing aircraft at all in our scenarios, and we set the conditions for other legacy fighters to be successful where we can.”
Marine Corps: F-35 is the best thing on the block
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increasing even like prediction from Feb 15, 2017


the point is with this type of claims I wouldn't be surprised if "game changers" were downed by Mig-21s
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
I like the colour of this J-20 (CGI) .. is it going to be the official colour?

J-20’s advanced versions to help China seize air superiority in Asia-Pacific: specialist
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After China's latest J-20 stealth fighter was commissioned, the country will continue to explore new fighter jets that meet national needs and create more surprises, the fighter's chief designer said Tuesday.
China will continue to support efforts to further prepare the fighter for combat, develop more versions of the fighter and explore new fighter jets, Yang Wei, a National People's Congress (NPC) deputy and chief designer of the J-20, told the press on the sidelines of the NPC annual meeting.
"There will be more surprises in future fighter jets, which will be more mechanized, information-equipped and smarter," Yang said.
The surprises include progress on the research of China's next generation of stealth fighters, which is expected to make China no longer a follower, but a leader in the development of stealth fighters, Song Zhongping, a military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times on Tuesday.
The J-20 series is also expected to undergo renovation, such as a high thrust engine and new electronic equipment and radars, Song said.
The advanced series could help China seize air superiority in the Asia-Pacific region and safeguard national security when facing containment from the US, Japan, Australia and India, he added.
The J-20 is China's fourth-generation medium and long-range fighter jet. It was first showcased in public on a fly-by at the Zhuhai air show in November 2016, and after it was delivered to the People's Liberation Army Air Force in March 2017, it joined the military parade at the Zhurihe military training base in July 2017.
According to air force spokesperson Shen Jinke in February, air force combat troops had armed the J-20.
China's J-20 jets have several unique designs and capabilities, such as the canard configuration design that provides them greater stealth while maintaining maneuverability and its supersonic speed, Yang said. "The design allows the J-20 to fly further and with greater bomb load," he added.
The J-20 is also capable of situation awareness, information warfare and cooperative combat, which shows that China's aviation industry has progressed from a "follower" to a "leader," he said.
The fighter is also a product of military-civilian integration, as its carbon fibers and metamaterials are produced by private companies, Yang said.
Carbon fibers not only provide the fighter with greater stealth, but can also reduce the aircraft's weight to allow more weapons for greater attack power, Song said.
 
Brother I feel sorry for you, you wrote a good rebuttal to
#2161 Jura, Sunday at 6:49 PM
but this morning apparently Deino deleted it (your post) while cleaning oil LOL etc. here; I noticed as I have nothing to do on a train: Great Friday trip, Happy Easter to you Brother!
(actually I was about to start writing a response, my point would've been any Military should be careful about the amount of hype it creates so that it doesn't take to be a fanboi to believe the official, LOL but let's better leave it now)
 

Air Force Brat

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Brother I feel sorry for you, you wrote a good rebuttal to
#2161 Jura, Sunday at 6:49 PM
but this morning apparently Deino deleted it (your post) while cleaning oil LOL etc. here; I noticed as I have nothing to do on a train: Great Friday trip, Happy Easter to you Brother!
(actually I was about to start writing a response, my point would've been any Military should be careful about the amount of hype it creates so that it doesn't take to be a fanboi to believe the official, LOL but let's better leave it now)

Yeah, I think the mods have 20 to 1 kill ratio on the Air Force Brat, and NOT ONE has thanked me publicly or privately for reaching out to Webby and
"bending his ear" to get their new Winchester's to them.. and I've been carrying their water for years encouraging people to show a little more respect,, but you got to enjoy my response to you Bub, and thats whats important, I love you as a Brother!

Like Rodney Dangerfield, "I don't get no respect, I don't get no respect", I'm just trying to "Save the World" here, pray I get the job done! my loving Master isn't too happy with any of us,,, Happy Easter Brother, and to my Brothers on SDF, Happy Easter Gentlemen,, hope the Easter Bunny brings you chocolate, (no I can't spell chocolate to save my life), and many Blessings in accordance with the "true meaning of Easter".

and to quote the Master, ("a prophet is without honor in his own country")!

I have no doubt the J-20 even in its present iteration has a 4 to 1 kill ratio on the SU-35,, you can't shoot, what you can't see! so the J-20's "black silk pajama's", render it nearly invisible to most fighters and their radar, even the SU-35!
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Could someone translate?
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Some believe that, because of the appearance of calibration markers on both the J-20 and J-15 prototypes, it is a sign that a carrier-borne variant of the J-20 exists. I do remain skeptical, though, especially because (1) China has never had a fly-off prior to program selection (unless both FC-31 and J-20 variants are being selected), and (2) multiple credible sources are pointing towards a modified FC-31 variant as the next-generation carrier-borne fighter.
 

ougoah

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Some believe that, because of the appearance of calibration markers on both the J-20 and J-15 prototypes, it is a sign that a carrier-borne variant of the J-20 exists. I do remain skeptical, though, especially because (1) China has never had a fly-off prior to program selection (unless both FC-31 and J-20 variants are being selected), and (2) multiple credible sources are pointing towards a modified FC-31 variant as the next-generation carrier-borne fighter.

Those sources could be wrong or only partly true and ignored the fact J-20 is still in competition against FC-31 for carrier borne fighter. Unless they're already testing upgraded engines and/or frames for J-20, and this cartoon is revealing of actual program, they wouldn't be painting those markers. CAC may have realised they can make J-20 carrier ready with some effort but still achieve this around the same time SAC can get FC-31 completed. J-20 program is further ahead after all.
 
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