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Fresh Wave of Airstrikes Hit Syria's Aleppo
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"President Bashar Assad has voiced his intention to recapture the northern city's rebel-held eastern neighborhoods, saying a military victory in Aleppo would provide the Syrian army a "springboard" from which to liberate other areas of the country.

"You have to keep cleaning this area and to push the terrorists to Turkey to go back to where they came from, or to kill them. There's no other option," he said in an interview with a Russian media outlet, Komsomolskaya Pravda, released Thursday."

I checked that part in
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and ... it's there (he specifically refers to Idlib in "this area" above):
Это невозможно, потому что Идлиб находится прямо на турецкой границе. Поэтому нельзя его отрезать, придется зачищать. Нам придется продолжить зачистку этого региона и отправить террористов в Турцию, чтобы они вернулись туда, откуда прибыли. Либо ликвидировать их. У нас нет другого выбора. И Алеппо станет трамплином, чтобы начать это движение.
 
now one more point related to the map from
Yesterday at 8:05 PM
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and the point is in northeastern Aleppo only now Rebels were pushed into residential area(s) I mean only now the urban combat will begin: residential district by residential district, street by street, house by house, floor by floor, ...
 
I wonder if Western fanbois believe
Britain has killed more than 1,700 ISIS terrorists in RAF air strikes in Iraq and Syria since bombing began – and NO civilians, claims MoD
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I wonder if Western fanbois believe
Britain has killed more than 1,700 ISIS terrorists in RAF air strikes in Iraq and Syria since bombing began – and NO civilians, claims MoD
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Of course Jura - Did you not know? Our bombs don't hurt people they are actually saving babies.
 
in case you didn't know Oct. 15, 2016 10:18 AM EDT US, Russia, others making renewed diplomatic push on Syria
Back where they started, the United States, Russia and others trying to help mediate Syria's civil war are searching for a diplomatic process that could succeed where last month's collapsed cease-fire failed.

With the Syrian and Russian governments pressing an offensive against rebel-held parts of the city of Aleppo, no one was predicting a quick breakthrough.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry was leading the renewed talks, which began Saturday afternoon. He was joined by a familiar cast that included Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and the top envoys from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Qatar, Egypt and Jordan.

Days of deadly airstrikes in Aleppo prompted Kerry last month to end bilateral U.S.-Russian engagement on Syria, including discussions over a proposed military alliance against Islamic State and al-Qaida-linked militants in Syria. Last week he accused Russia of war crimes for targeting hospitals and civilian infrastructure in the Arab country.

Nevertheless, Kerry reunited with Lavrov at the lakeside Beau-Rivage Palace in Lausanne, and met with Lavrov before the larger gathering. U.S. hopes of any diplomatic progress appeared to rest squarely on Russia's cooperation. Kerry also met privately with Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir.

The conflict has killed as many as a half-million people since 2011, contributed to Europe's worst refugee crisis since World War II, and allowed the Islamic State to carve out territory for itself and emerge as a global threat.

Residents of opposition-held eastern Aleppo have faced daily violence as Syrian President Bashar Assad's government seeks to take full control of the country's largest city. On Saturday, Syrian and Russian airstrikes hit several rebel-held neighborhoods amid clashes on the front lines in Syria's largest city and onetime commercial center, according to the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and the Aleppo Media Center, an activist collective.

In an interview this week with a Russian media outlet, Assad said a military victory in Aleppo would provide the Syrian army a "springboard" for liberating other parts of the country.

Despite fiercely criticizing Syria and Russia, the United States doesn't seem to have an answer.

President Barack Obama and the Pentagon have made clear their opposition to any U.S. military strikes against Assad's military. The U.S. is uneasy with providing more advanced weaponry to the anti-Assad rebels because of their links to extremist groups. And sanctions on Moscow are seen as unlikely step, given their limited impact after Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea territory in 2014 and the weak appetite among America's European partners for such action.

With no apparent Plan B, Obama directed his national security team on Friday to renew diplomatic efforts to reduce the bloodshed in Syria. The White House said it hoped the larger discussions with Russia and other key governments would "encourage all sides to support a more durable and sustainable diminution of violence."

Russia says it also wants a cease-fire, but describes the U.S. and its partners as the problem.

In an interview Friday with The Associated Press, Vitaly Churkin, Russia's U.N. ambassador, said this weekend's talks are focused on getting U.S.-backed, "moderate" opposition forces to break ranks with al-Qaida-linked fighters.

Given the collapse of several cease-fires in Syria in recent months, Washington doubts Moscow's seriousness. And with rebel-held Aleppo poised to fall, potentially in a matter of weeks, there is deep skepticism that the Syrian and Russian governments want to stop the fighting just yet.

Turkey's president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said he had instructed his foreign minister to make a proposal in Lausanne about fighting IS in Syria and Iraq.

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... the Hanano housing complex.
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... area in front of it taken, "Hanano" might be stormed (also "Ayn al-Tal" and "Haidariyyeh", says "Cassad"
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not me):
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I say the map is tilted, at first glance: North <<<
and repeat myself:
Yesterday at 9:13 PM
... in northeastern Aleppo only now Rebels were pushed into residential area(s) I mean only now the urban combat will begin: residential district by residential district, street by street, house by house, floor by floor, ...
 
indeed
If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia
If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?

Pity the luckless children of
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. If only the bombs raining down on them, killing their parents, maiming their friends, destroying their hospitals – if only those bombs were British or, better still, American.
Then the streets of London would be jammed with protestors demanding an end to their agony. Trafalgar Square would ring loud with speeches from Tariq Ali, Ken Loach and Monsignor Bruce Kent. Whitehall would be a sea of placards, insisting that war crimes were being committed and that these crimes were Not in Our Name. Grosvenor Square would be
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outside the US embassy, urging that Barack Obama be put on trial in The Hague. The protestors would wear Theresa May masks and paint their hands red. And they would be doing it all because, they’d say, they could not bear to see another child killed in Aleppo.

But that is not the good fortune of the luckless children of that benighted city. Their fate is to be terrorised by the wrong kind of bombs, the ones dropped by Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin. As such, they do not qualify for the activist sympathy of the movement that calls itself the Stop the War Coalition. Indeed, it’s deputy chair, Chris Nineham,
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that his organisation would not be organising or joining any protests outside the Russian embassy because that would merely fuel the “hysteria and the jingoism” currently being whipped up against Moscow. Stop the War would instead, explained Nineham in a moment of refreshing candour, be devoting its energies to its prime goal – “opposing the west”.

But if hysteria is the wrong emotional reaction to the ordeal now being endured by the people of Aleppo, I wonder what is the right one. What’s the right state of mind to contemplate pictures of the dead, the unarmed women and men and their kids, entombed in ash?

How should we look at the
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that surveys what seems to be a ghostly, smashed ruin of a city? How are we to respond when we listen to a 12-year-old boy who from 7am every day sorts through the rubble, trying to find something to eat and
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, even as the bombs explode around him, “We thank God for what we have”?

Despite what Stop the War says, “opposing the west” won’t bring any of that horror to an end. For it is Russia that is up to its neck in the blood of Aleppo. It is Russia that joins Assad in the bombing of hospitals. It is Russia which stands accused – and credibly accused – of bombing an aid convoy. It is
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and its Syrian ally that is fond of the “double-tap” tactic, dropping one bomb and then, after an interval which allows time for paramedics to arrive and start treating the injured, drops another on the same spot, killing the rescuers.

Still, we mustn’t get hysterical. Perhaps we ought instead to be even-handed,
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a spokesman for the Labour leader this week, when he expressed his worry that all this focus on Russia “diverts attention” from the atrocities committed by the other outside powers, such as the US – and that it would be just as sensible to protest outside the US embassy as outside Russia’s.

Usefully, the Guardian did a “
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” of the notion that Washington and its allies might be just as culpable for the carnage as Moscow, and it reached an unambiguous conclusion: the numbers were not comparable. Chris Woods of the Airwars monitoring site put it succinctly: “The Russians’ death rate probably outpaces the coalition by a rate of eight to one.” Woods also made the important, but often overlooked, point that while the US and its allies have killed too many civilians – and one is too many – they are at least trying to avoid or limit such casualties. Russia is deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure.

None of this means, incidentally, that Boris Johnson was right to summon demonstrators to the gates of the Russian mission in London. It’s not for him to issue such a call. A government minister engineering a supposedly spontaneous rally outside a despised foreign embassy is the sort of stunt you might expect from an authoritarian state like Iran or, come to think of it, Russia. It should not be the business of a democratic government. Chalk it up as yet more proof that Johnson has not yet made the transition from newspaper columnist to government minister, a transition which – given the evidence of him and his onetime fellow Brexiteer, Michael Gove – may not be such a good idea anyway.

More serious was Johnson’s call for “
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” in Syria, deploying the latest euphemism for military action. Anyone who has seen the dead and dying of Aleppo – and felt that urge for somebody, somewhere, to do something – will understand that impulse. But now Russia is so fully dug in, such a call is reckless. If the US were to enforce a no-fly zone, it could soon find itself in a direct military confrontation with Russia, a clash of the two cold war superpowers. It risks escalating a bloody civil war into something larger and yet more lethal.

So what then? Stop the War says this is a matter “for the Syrian people alone”, as if, were the US and the west only to butt out, Assad would generously launch a national consultation exercise, hold free and fair elections, perhaps with PR and women-only shortlists, and agree to be bound by the result. To claim this is for the Syrian people alone is to gaze at a family trapped in a burning building, declare that it’s for them to put out the fire – and praise yourself for refusing to get involved. Of course they need help.

Nor is it good enough simply to call for “the strongest possible push for negotiations and a diplomatic solution”, as Stop the War do. What do they think John Kerry and his fellow foreign ministers have been doing round the clock for months if not years? Kerry is still engaging with his Russian counterpart, even this weekend, but it’s hard to keep going when Russia keeps strangling Aleppo.

No, what’s needed is some pressure on Russia to stop. Not a military confrontation, but every other kind of pressure. And here is where Stop the War can be useful. They insist they can only influence western nations, that a protest outside the Russian embassy wouldn’t make a “blind bit of difference”. But how can they be so sure? We know Putin cares about his international standing. That’s why he spends millions on his propaganda channel Russia Today. He would not want pictures beamed around the world of mass demonstrations outside Russian embassies.

Surely it’s worth a try. Those who regard themselves as the peace movement should live up to their name. The slaughter of the innocents of Aleppo started long ago: it’s time they did their bit to stop the war.
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Here is one for the Guardian readers
A BBC injured child propaganda piece exposed as total fake and set up by the Al-Nusra propaganda dept also known as White Helmets.
The little girl is pictured sitting before the filming with no torn clothes and not a mark on her
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delft

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indeed
If they really wanted to Stop the War in Syria, they’d target Russia
If the United States were bombing Aleppo, peace protesters would be besieging its embassy. So why let Vladimir Putin off the hook?


source is The Gurdian
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In the article I especially noted:
Indeed, it’s deputy chair, Chris Nineham,
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that his organisation would not be organising or joining any protests outside the Russian embassy
I hear the interview and noted that Mr Nineham was unable to tell his story because the interviewer was only interested in demonstrating near the Russian embassy and was constantly interrupting. A great difference from the interview two days before with Andrew Mitchell MP who could demonstrate his ignorance of the situation in Aleppo, saying among other things that only 250 000 people now lived in A. and neglecting the nearly 2 million in the Western part of the city, without any critical question from his interviewer.
 
LOL here:
Of course Jura - Did you not know? Our bombs don't hurt people they are actually saving babies.
as one of the explanations for
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might indeed be just poor Propaganda work of the Ministry ('its statements requiring a willing suspension of disbelief' while it would've been possible for example not to comment on civilian losses);

another explanation would be tough: if (I say if, and I'm speculating, obviously) the British attacked only targets outside of populated areas AND considered everybody inside those targets to be 'Islamic State fighters', to use the expression from the above article; will give an example of what I mean:
an oil refinery on the desert bombed, ISIL on-site manager: dead, ten refinery operators: dead, one guy delivering sandwiches: dead, people who during the bombing just happened to drive by the refinery in a car: alive; the result: dozen 'Islamic State fighters' killed, zero civilians killed

yet another explanation could be somebody doctored the reports, as in the stories I posted here
Apr 4, 2016
some time ago
Sep 11, 2015

and here's sorta continuation:
Intel Analysts: We Were Forced Out for Telling the Truth About Obama’s ISIS War


source
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is the The Daily Beast, I know, I know, but the above NavyTimes story is based on their report

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I see delft is online so perhaps he'll come up with yet another explanation now :)
 
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