ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

delft

Brigadier
When SAA gets near the parties that are "advised" by US Special Forces US will have to communicate their position to the Russian air force otherwise they might be killed by air attack accidentally or "accidentally". I understand that initially SF are to be deployed in the North East of Syria and so the only matter is the illegality of their presence.
 

Brumby

Major
When SAA gets near the parties that are "advised" by US Special Forces US will have to communicate their position to the Russian air force otherwise they might be killed by air attack accidentally or "accidentally". I understand that initially SF are to be deployed in the North East of Syria and so the only matter is the illegality of their presence.

Presumably some kind of communication channels and protocols are worked out being Russia and US to prevent accidents. The risk runs both ways because no one wants Russian planes being shot down by accident or in self defence.
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
Presumably some kind of communication channels and protocols are worked out being Russia and US to prevent accidents. The risk runs both ways because no one wants Russian planes being shot down by accident or in self defence.
Isn't that the region that the Syrian Kurds are operating in if it is don't they then risk being bombed by the Turks who are no friend's of the Pkk I think that's what their called also
 

nicky

Junior Member
ministry of defense rf daily briefing (yesterday's pic)

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Judging by all the maps of where Russian and US forces are deploying it definitely looks like territorial consolidation being the goal of both those sides. By default if that is successful it also means territorial consolidation for IS and other rebel groups. Whether the consolidation succeeds very much depends on how the local forces perform in both taking and holding territory. Once that is done it is another question whether the stage is set for negotiations and stalemate, preferred by external sponsors, or further combat, which may be preferred by all local forces regardless of their apparent efforts at diplomacy.
 

Jeff Head

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BBC said:
A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai killing all 224 people on board, Egyptian officials have said.

The Airbus A-321 had just left the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, bound for the Russian city of St Petersburg.

Wreckage was found in the Hasana area and bodies removed, along with the plane's "black box". An official described a "tragic scene" with bodies of victims still strapped to seats.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared Sunday a day of mourning.

He has ordered an official investigation into the crash, and for rescue teams to be sent to the crash site.

Egyptian officials said 214 of the passengers were Russian and three Ukrainian.
A commission headed by Russian Transport Minister Maksim Sokolov is to leave for Egypt on Saturday afternoon.

A criminal case has also been opened against the airline, Kogalymavia, for "violation of rules of flight and preparation for them", Russia's Ria news agency reported.

Oksana Golovin, a spokeswoman for the airline, said the company did not see any grounds to blame human error.

She told a press conference that the pilot had 12,000 hours of flying experience. Kogalymavia did not yet know what caused the crash, she said, but the plane was fully serviced.

Police are reported to be searching the company's offices.

Russian authorities say the plane was carrying 217 passengers, 138 of them women and 17 children aged between 2 and 17. Most were tourists. There were seven crew on board.

Egyptian officials investigating the scene said there were no survivors.

A centre to help relatives of the passengers has been set up at Pulkovo airport, Tass news agency quoted St Petersburg city officials as saying.

Initially there were conflicting reports about the fate of the plane, some suggesting it had disappeared over Cyprus.

But the office of Egyptian Prime Minister Sharif Ismail confirmed in a statement that a "Russian civilian plane... crashed in the central Sinai".

Officials say up to 50 ambulances have been sent to the scene.

Access to the area is strictly controlled by the military and the terrain is difficult, correspondents say.

One official told Reuters news agency that at least 100 bodies had been found.

"I now see a tragic scene," the official said. "A lot of dead on the ground and many died whilst strapped to their seats."

The plane split in two, with one part burning up and the other crashing into a rock, he added.

The Egyptian cabinet
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that flight KGL9268 left Sharm el-Sheikh at 05:58 local time (03:58 GMT)

It added that the aircraft went off the radar 22 minutes after take-off.

The flight had been due into St Petersburg's Pulkovo airport at 09:10 GMT.

Kogalymavia airline
  • Also known as KolAvia
  • Founded in 1993
  • Carried out regular and charter flights to other parts of Russia from the western Siberian towns of Kogalym and Surgut, and helicopter flights for the oil and gas industry
  • Rebranded as Metrojet in 2012
  • After takeover by tourism company TH&C in 2013, began flights to international destinations popular with Russian holiday-makers
  • Currently has fleet of seven Airbus-321s and two Airbus-320s
Egypt's civilian aviation ministry said the plane had been at an altitude of 9,450m (31,000ft) when it disappeared.

Live flight tracking service Flight Radar 24's Mikail Robertson confirmed the altitude.

He told the BBC that the plane started to drop very fast, losing 1,500 metres in one minute before coverage was lost.

Aviation official Ayman al-Mukadem said the pilot had reported technical difficulties before the plane went missing, the Associated Press reported.

The BBC's Orla Guerin in Cairo says it is likely there will be speculation about militant involvement in the incident - Sinai has an
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, with local Jihadis who have allied themselves to so-called Islamic State.

But the aircraft's altitude suggests that it could not have been struck from the ground, she adds.

Local weather observations in the vicinity of the rescue scene suggest relatively benign conditions.

Sincere prayers up for the lost, and condolences and comfort to the family, friends, and loved ones of the victims.

We all know that the Islamic Terrorists will strike back in whatever way they can. They have done this over and over again to the US, others, and Russia in the past.

We will have to wait and see what the investigation shows...but one thing is for sure, Putin will react very strongly.
 
... "Amateurish Civil War Journal" ...
lacks fresh map(s) today: my Russian and other sources are full of so called peace talks

so I'll just say it seems confirmed the battle
... around Sheik Ahmad, which is the place (a village?) in the middle between the bulge and the airbase:

is really going on (I've heard in two more sources), by the way I've read somewhere the airbase has been under siege for two years now ...

... and add this:
I was wondering how big Units take part in the action I tried to describe here recently, I mean attacking in respective directions; from maybe two or three attacks which failed, I saw some numbers reported and pictures/videos taken of KIAs, and if I believed this, the number would up to around one hundred; this would mean something between a Battalion-strength and Regiment-strength if assuming about 10% KIAs before such an attack was aborted, but it's just my armchair-generalling look which may be completely off, as I don't know what tactics is actually used there etc. But I've read both the Regular Army and ISIL commanders are experienced (former Iraqi Army in the case of ISIL), graduates of Russian-style Military Academies etc. so the attacks are planned and executed thoughtfully (I don't mean to be cynical or nothing). Will somebody comment on this? Also if you think it's nonsense what I said, just tell me.
 
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delft

Brigadier
lacks fresh map(s) today: my Russian and other sources are full of so called peace talks

so I'll just say it seems confirmed the battle


is really going on (I've heard in two more sources), by the way I've read somewhere the airbase has been under siege for two years now ...

... and add this:
I was wondering how big Units take part in the action I tried to describe here recently, I mean attacking in respective directions; from maybe two or three attacks which failed, I saw some numbers reported and pictures/videos taken of KIAs, and if I believed this, the number would up to around one hundred; this would mean something between a Battalion-strength and Regiment-strength if assuming about 10% KIAs before such an attack was aborted, but it's just my view which may be completely off, as I don't know what tactics is actually used there etc. But I've read both the Regular Army and ISIL commanders are experienced (former Iraqi Army in the case of ISIL), graduates of Russian-style Military Academies etc. so the attacks are planned and executed thoughtfully (I don't mean to be cynical or nothing). Will somebody comment on this? Also if you think it's nonsense what I said, just tell me.
I can't do better than you, having no experience. The other question is: are the pictures provided those taken during or after the battle or are they really unrelated. As an extreme example think of the Holiday company offering cottages for hire in Spain and Greece and illustrating them with the same photograph.
 
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