Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

gelgoog said:

I doubt the EU will issue a blanket ban on Huawei. For one in a lot of countries the 5G rollout is already in an advanced status and Europe prides itself on being on the leading edge of wireless telecoms rollouts. For another the UK, which is the only Five Eyes nation in the EU, is bound to leave the block soon.

There is a possibility that some EU companies might push the EU towards adopting some kind of measures against Huawei though, because the other major 5G telecoms equipment vendors are located in Europe. I could see the EU engaging in some sort of tit for tat regulations and operate more on the anti-competition argument, say with fines, than with an actual ban on Huawei due to security considerations.

Especially after the scandal where the German Chancellor was spied upon by US intelligence I don't think the US's "security" arguments will have enough substance that anyone with two brain cells will care. Also a lot of people ignore this but much of the 5G market will not be in Europe. Or the USA.

Africa and Southeast Asia will be hugely important markets. They do not have the same amount of connectivity that other countries do and they rely, way, way lot more on wireless to conduct activities. In there China can easily win.

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That is enticing but self-destructive approach as you have said in the underlined texts that China will probably be the biggest 5G market. There is an understanding between China and EU that guarantees Ericsson and Nokia's access to Chinese telecom market (about 30%). These two would be the casualty if EU overtly (straight ban) or covertly (anti-competition) hinder Huawei's access to EU. Let's be frank, Ericsson and Nokia feel more scared than happy if EU acts against Huawei, they may stand loosing more than gaining from Huawei's setback in Europe.

Max Demian said:

Most of my Chinese colleagues (high-tech industry) have settled and are raising their families here. As far as I understood, they want to enjoy a high quality of life. If China would offer them that, I imagine they would go back. After all, that's where most of their relatives are still living.

Unlike in China, they have the freedom here to purchase and own property in a city of their choosing, instead of being screwed by the Hukou. Also they and their kids get to enjoy top-tier social welfare.

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No they won't. Once a person has a child born and raised to certain age, these people are stuck in that country, they won't move anywhere even home country where their parents are and money and "high quality life" is nothing of consideration. Believe me, I live with Chinese people like this. The sole consideration is if the Children can be relocated to a place where they loose all their friends, not able to speak effectively the language and build new friendships. The answer is a big NO for a child in the early stage and the possible permanent damage to child's personality is HUGE.

I guess you don't have children. But once you do have a 5 year old, considering uproot him or her and move to Japan or Switzerland for high quality life.

The point is that these ERALY Chinese immigrants will not go back to China easily, probably after their Children are independent, but then they are old and "useless" to China. Democracy, freedom or money play no role in their mind. BUT it is a different story for new coming Chinese students today.

Max Demian said:

That's why I am on these boards. Gives me some perspective on how its people think.

The more I learn, the more I understand why free speech and social media are so restricted in PRC. The CCP toppled one extractive system, only to replace it with another in different guise.

But PRC is reaching the limits of trade fueled growth. Given the recent trade frictions, that road is getting narrower and narrower. That's why they're trying to build a new one with OBOR. The jury is still out on that. I am afraid that to maintain economic growth they will have to transition towards a consumption economy. But that will require wealth transfers from the rich and successfull to the less privileged ones. Who is going to incentivize the elites to do that, when the same elites hold the political power?

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have you been to China? If you only read how China is from medias ... you would get totally different views of China than the reality there

Max Demian said:

You keep assuming I'm from the US. For the record, I live in western Europe. I can say with confidence that no Chinese, nor any other Asian is demonized here. The wages here are not as high as in the US for the top-earners. But then the minimal wages are the highest in the world. Even people with menial jobs enjoy one month of payed vacation a year. Many work part-time so that they can enjoy their life better and are willing to make do with less money at the end of the month. Materialism is definitely not the creed we live by. Instead, I would describe it as HOT (happiness, opportunity, time).

But how did we get here? Certainly not by being ants. All these privileges were hard-won and long in the making. We are not afraid to criticize (and sue if necessary) our governments for misconduct on their part. This culture traces its roots all the way back to the Age of Enlightenment, and in some areas even earlier like the 17th century England and the Low Countries. Now that's what I would call the pillar of modern western societies.

Being human, the same criteria we judge ourselves by, we also use to judge others outside. If that hurts their feelings, too bad.

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My goodness you are oblivious. You thought that because I said "a country that demonizes (China)," that that can only mean the US?? Did you not see that every time, I said "Western" instead of "American?" Of course, you can tell me what country you are from to be specific but just as an example of Western Europe, a British minister has recently declared the need for "lethal" patrols in the South China Sea to confine China. All of these countries have actually entertained the US fear that Huawei is a spy agency despite having no evidence at all. Such garbage should have been dismissed as obvious fear-mongering due to inability to compete. When Chinese people read that news, we feel nothing but hostility, reciprocated hostility. That's not to mention all of the clips you can find online of the British spewing racism at Chinese people on buses or starting bar fights with Asians. If you really thought that Western Europe exhibits no racism against the Chinese then I don't see how you can learn anything here.

I think it would be very Western of you if the take-away point you received here is that Chinese people are treated like ants and life is so terrible in China, a revolt might start soon. But you took things too literally. To be an "ant" is to work hard for relatively little pay. I have lived in Manhattan, NY for many years and that is a city that will make people feel like ants; I don't feel a revolt starting there soon, do you? To be an ant is to live the words of President Kennedy, "Ask not what your nation can do for you; ask what you can do for your nation." Only when you judge life satisfaction by materialistic wealth will you come to the conclusion that those who live like ants will revolt. In truth, nation of people to live like ants will dominate the world; the pity is that Chinese people cannot be more like ants.

Your Western Europe didn't get to where it is by being like ants? I know that. Where is it? Sluggish economy, massive welfare, a military that relies on the US for defense, decision-making reliant on what the US says. Europe used to be the center of the world in technology and economy. You should have been more like ants to keep it that way.

I don't know if it's true ignorance or you just don't want to say it because it makes your arguments look like nonsense but it's a fact that in 2018, China's economic growth was driven over 70% by consumption and in 2019, that number is projected to reach 80%. It is not driven in large by investment or exports.

Transfer of wealth is the old Western model for a consumption-based economy. The Chinese model is creation of wealth. The wealthy get wealthier and the poor get wealthy; that is actual growth. No wonder Europe grows so slowly; it focuses its efforts on undermining the capable and rich to give it to the poor as welfare or undeserved pay. While Europeans may reduce CEO salary to pay factory workers more, the Chinese tell the factory workers to get educated so they can be more productive, thus expanding the company so both the workers and the CEO can earn more. That is why you see true robust growth under the Chinese model. China has lifted more people out of poverty than any other nation in the world. The poor Chinese know that they need education and innovation so they can become bosses and get rich; they don't sit and wait for a transfer of wealth.

If you are truly here to learn, you should listen and not be combative. What you are doing here to taking what Chinese people here tell you and trying to twist it to match what your media told you under the false assumption that your media is accurate and would never be negatively biased against China.

Well said Equation kudo to you. I agree you don't get rich by wealth transfer but by bard working It is better to enlarge the pie and make it bigger instead of dividing small pie equally End up everybody getting smaller slice of pie Chinese people are hardy and patient They know if they didn't get rich now Their offspring will have a better life that is why they sacrifice everything for their children education believing rightly that education is the ladder for better life.

That is the secret of China's fast development effective government , rational,educated and hardworking population couple with age old culture and well endowed land

There are always the naysayers and those that predict china will collapse anytime soon so it's not like these trolls are a new thing

I guess we can only recommend people to visit China (Urban and rural) to see how it really is. Most of us here are well traveled and know the importance of travelling.

I've lived in Europe for a few years and basically consider it to be the best place to raise a family and enjoy life. US is good for career advancement. China is good for high risk, high reward activities and food.

30 years later after living throughout the world, I'm still learning about these places.

s002wjh said:

there is no issue with high five and some boosting, but over doing it, is not good. China still has long road ahead. what are you talking about linear etc. plenty chinese-american invest in china, but their home still in US, they constantly travel to china make some $$$ then come back, none of them decide permanently go back to china unless they get huge $$$, but thats rare. also are you living in China or in a western country? if its the latter why.

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Spot on here Dude, but nobody's going to honor your honest assessments. Honestly there are a great many changes everywhere, but freedom is still worth fighting for. Thank you for your integrity, its nice to see someone try to balance all the narratives and come up with the truth...

Air Force Brat said:

Spot on here Dude, but nobody's going to honor your honest assessments. Honestly there are a great many changes everywhere, but freedom is still worth fighting for. Thank you for your integrity, its nice to see someone try to balance all the narratives and come up with the truth...

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If you've got nothing to add to the topic, that's what the "like" button is for, Brat.

The person who says what you want to hear isn't automatically the guy who "balanced everything and came up with the truth." Seeing as how you've never been to modern China and most likely don't even have meaningful conversations with Chinese people, your opinion on the "truth" here can be completely discounted as the imagination of an old patriotic American.

And he said absolutely nothing about your false freedoms, which, for some reason, you like to allude to in every conversation spanning from J-20 to trade war...

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The ad claimed that Huawei Mate X is the world's fastest 5G foldable phone, with pictures showing the smartphone as folded, half-unfolded and unfolded.

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A total of 512 gigabytes of storage and 10 gigabytes of memory can also be expected.

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