indian ocean conflict

crazyinsane105 · Oct 24, 2005

ArjunMk1 said:
Does the naval conflict can escalate into land ???

For example an armour thrust into India through Mayanmar and also the ensuring air conflicts !! What the Chinese guys think about this side of Indian Ocean conflict !!!!!!!

To tell you the truth, a naval escalation of this size can erupt into a full blown war between the countries so yes, it can and it will escalate into land. But for simplicity's sake, let's just talk about what is going to happen on the naval arena right now. It is very hard to judge what can happen on the land.

IDonT · Oct 24, 2005

ArjunMk1 said:
Does the naval conflict can escalate into land ???

For example an armour thrust into India through Mayanmar and also the ensuring air conflicts !! What the Chinese guys think about this side of Indian Ocean conflict !!!!!!!

The logistical problems of putting just a single armored division from China to Myanmar will strain even the US logistics, let alone supplying it with ammo, food, and fuel for combat operations. How many heavy divisions can CHina dispatched to Myanmar...be realistic considering its heavy logistical needs.

An armored thrust, assuming it can be prepared, will lose its steam due to the distances from the CHinese logistical base. Myanmar will stand to lose, once India regroups and counter attacks.

An air war perhaps can happen.

IDonT · Oct 24, 2005

crazyinsane105 said:
I think you forgot to mention the fact that Pakistan has the Babur missile which can be made into an anti-ship missile. Also, we are talking about 2012 here. We can expect relatively large numbers of JF-17 aircraft within Pakistan's arsenal along with some numbers of another 4th generation aircraft (it can be the J-10, Gripen, etc.) Another thing is that the JF-17 will probably be able to hold Chinese made anti-ship missiles. Let's say it can hold up to 3 anti-ship missiles. Two squadrons consisting of 15 aircraft each armed with anti-ship missiles and being escorted by either F-16's or the other 4th generation fighter can be a very deadly force. Now, I am not saying both squadrons are flying towards the IN fleet. I am saying that maybe 8 JF-17's along with 4 F-16's/other fighter to provide air defense can really wreck havoc upon the fleet. It would be about 24 anti-ship missiles coming towards the IN fleet (I cannot say for sure that they will be sub or supersonic, but they will most likely be supersonic). Add to the fact that an Agosta 90B nearby with upgraded electronic systems may also fire off a Babur (that is IF the Babur can be fitted onto the Agosta by 2012) and a torpedo. So that would be a saturated missile attack aimed at the Varyag carrier. Let's say about a third get through the defense shields. The Varyag would be mission killed. Or if Pakistan decides to target the Varyag's escorts, there will be more ships mission killed or even sunk. Right now, Pakistan is not in a very powerful military state. However, we are talking about 7 years from now what will happen. Just look at China seven years ago and look at where it is right now. Same thing will happen to Pakistan.

If we are talking about 2012 here, then you must account for the advances that the IN and IAF will have made.

The Vikramaditya would have been commisioned with Mig 29K's, Akula SSN's, P-15 destroyers, and more Su-30 MKI into service.

ArjunMk1 · Oct 24, 2005

2012 is a distant future think of today !!

By 2012 India will be having PAK FA stealth fighters, 1000km range supersonic cruise missiles , 400-500 Km upgraded Brahmos , nuclear subs , and a lot of other goodies !!

If land war is not feasible then what abt air war ??

MIGleader · Oct 24, 2005

ArjunMk1 said:
2012 is a distant future think of today !!

By 2012 India will be having PAK FA stealth fighters, 1000km range supersonic cruise missiles , 400-500 Km upgraded Brahmos , nuclear subs , and a lot of other goodies !!

If land war is not feasible then what abt air war ??

pak fa my foot. theyll be lucky to have lca at the time. and a ground foghter would have little influence on a naval comflict.

think of 1998 and how far the indians have come, andu expect them to have this? the brahmos i may believe, cruise missle possibly, the nuke sub would be russian.

Gollevainen · Oct 24, 2005

By 2012 India will be having PAK FA stealth fighters, 1000km range supersonic cruise missiles , 400-500 Km upgraded Brahmos , nuclear subs , and a lot of other goodies !!

Well defenetly there isent gonna be no PAK-FAs nor MCAs in service (neither J-xxx and J-12s) but if LCA is then still in the state where it is now, some other plane have taken it's role...and 1000km supersonic cruise missile??? If then in service, only in russia if even there...but certainly not in India....

jatt · Oct 24, 2005

Extreme the IN in 2012 would be able to handle a cluster of subsonic or near mach 2 antiship missiles easily. The Aster-15/30 is tested against almost everythreat and can create a umberella like the Aegies system. ontop of that the Baraks, VLS Shytil and the Carriers which provide protection for the fleet against "J-10 Gripen".

MIGleader · Oct 24, 2005

jatt said:
Extreme the IN in 2012 would be able to handle a cluster of subsonic or near mach 2 antiship missiles easily. The Aster-15/30 is tested against almost everythreat and can create a umberella like the Aegies system. ontop of that the Baraks, VLS Shytil and the Carriers which provide protection for the fleet against "J-10 Gripen".

comparing a single system like aster to a full envelope like aegis is foolish. and it can only be tested against missles india has availabl. baraks...lmao...
vls shytil..you now that china will have it too. and its j-10 dragon. the gripen is a swedish fighter.

DPRKUnderground · Oct 24, 2005

IDonT said:
If we are talking about 2012 here, then you must account for the advances that the IN and IAF will have made.

The Vikramaditya would have been commisioned with Mig 29K's, Akula SSN's, P-15 destroyers, and more Su-30 MKI into service.

If you didn't know, Pakistani pilots had a 5-1 kill ratio in the 1971 War, India had the latest Russian technology while Pakistan was operating later versions of the Sabres, J-6s and some F-104s. At the air excercise in Turkey it is said that Pakistan learned anti-BVR tactics, now that shows that the quality of Pakistani pilots has not deteriorated and that they can match up to Indian fighters in the future. By 2012, Pakistan could have another submarine, the new admiral, I forget is name, said Pakistan is looking for German submarines. Now Pakistan will have the Agosta 90Bs, then combine that with the German submarines which would most likely be a newer version of the Type-209, they could match the IN, who would still be operating Kilos which would be know match for 6 highly advanced European submarines. Akulas are aging, by 2012 they would be around for almost 30 years! Yes they would be effective, but going against highly adbanced European subs is a tough battle. If India has more than 4 Scorpenes, I think they would be equal when it comes to submarines. Now about Naval aviation. Pakistan would have 12 P-3Cs! More Alouettes, and 5 Z-9Cs! They would be supported by JF-17s armed w/ anti-ship missiles and possibly F-16s escorting them. the MiG-29s would have a tough time against them, even the Su-30s. India has the clear advantage when it comes to the surface fleet. But if Pakistan can dominate the air, it would have at least have a chance to win the war at sea.

MIGleader · Oct 24, 2005

the mki is undoubtedly one of the top 5 fighters in the world. and can easily carry brahmoses to attack pn ships. not even an f-16 can handle an mki. but lets not forget the chinese have mkks, j-10s, j-11s, sk;s, and the pakistanis have f-16s and fc-1s. the thais have harrier

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