indian ocean conflict


MIGleader

Banned Idiot
suppose in the year 2012, india and china got into a mjor dispute about oil shipping lanes in the indian ocean. so both guys mobelized their navies prepared for armed conflict(not necasserily war).

PLAN and alies
PLAN:
varyag

51cx2
52cx2
52bx2
51bx2
52x2
sovremenyx4

54x4
53h3x10

93x4
94x2
92x1
songx10
yuanx4
kilox12

royal thai navy
Chakri Naruebet x1

Phuttayotfa Chalaok Knox x2
Naresuan Jianghu x2
Chao Phraya Jianghu x2
Makut Rajakumarn Yarrow x1
Pin Klao Cannon x1

pakistan navy
Alamgir US Gearing x1

PRC Type 053 or Type 057 x4
Tariq UK Amazon x4
Shamsher UK Leander x1

Khalid Fr Agosta 90B x 3
Hashmat Fr Agosta-x 2
Hangor Fr Daphné x1



Indian navy

R Air Defense Ship x 1
R Vikramaditya Rus Gorshkov x 1
R Viraat F/O UK Invincible x1
R 22 Viraat UK Hermes CVV x 1

D Talwar Sov Krivak III DDG x 3
D Delhi Project 15 x 6
D 51 Rajput Sov Kashin DDG x5

F Shivalik Project 17 x 8
F 20 Godavari Project x 4
F 33 Nilgiri UK Type 12 Leander x2

Adv Tech Vessel x 6
SSN Sov Akula-II x 2
SSGN Chakra Sov Charlie-I x1
Project 76 Ru Amur x 8
Project 75 Fr Scorpene x 6
S 55 Sindhu Ghosh Sov Kilo x 5
S 44 Shishumar Ge T-209/1500 x 4

now lets see what happens...
 

crazyinsane105

Junior Member
VIP Professional
By 2012, Pakistan should have a new sub (either another Agosta or even the German U-214). Also, the PN is trying to buy 2 Perry Class frigates from the US and there should be at least one or two F-22P's in the PN (most likely equipped with high end electronics and weapons by then). Not to offend anybody, but if the IN were to face ALL of those navies at once, it really wouldn't stand a chance. Yes, the IN can take them on ONE BY ONE, but never all of them at the same time. It would be equivalent if China were to go against the Japanese, Americans, and South Koreans at the same time in 2012. The PLAN would be dead within a matter of minutes. Same goes here for the IN.
 

Jeff Head

General
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crazyinsane105 said:
Not to offend anybody, but if the IN were to face ALL of those navies at once, it really wouldn't stand a chance. Yes, the IN can take them on ONE BY ONE, but never all of them at the same time.
Why do you assume the INS would be "going it alone"? By 2012 there may be any number of nations willing to help her in such a conflict, particularly depending on the provocation.

Having said that, I think it is much more likely that before then the PLAN will have attempted to woo the Indians themselves (which they are already attemting in many ways) to keep them out of any potential conflict resulting between the PRC and the ROC and the US over Taiwan.
 

crazyinsane105

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VIP Professional
Jeff Head said:
Why do you assume the INS would be "going it alone"? By 2012 there may be any number of nations willing to help her in such a conflict, particularly depending on the provocation.

Having said that, I think it is much more likely that before then the PLAN will have attempted to woo the Indians themselves (which they are already attemting in many ways) to keep them out of any potential conflict resulting between the PRC and the ROC and the US over Taiwan.
It is just that I can't imagine any other navy helping the IN in that situation. Otherwise I would have stated so. Maybe the USN would help the IN out, but then it would become a much bigger conflict.

If a conflict DOES happen, the only countries I see getting involved would be China, India, and MAYBE Pakistan.
 

tphuang

Brigadier
VIP Professional
Registered Member
this is bound to start a flaming war if there is an Indian member on this site. Anyhow, I believe Viraat is getting decommissioned.

There better be 052Ds and even newer 054s by 2012. Also Talwar is FFG. The type 15 and type 17 numbers are questionable. Who really knows how many Delhis IN will have.

It's interesting. IN is built for blue navy operation and PLAN is built more for defensive and coastal roles, but PLAN has more advanced ships.
 

Jeff Head

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
crazyinsane105 said:
Maybe the USN would help the IN out, but then it would become a much bigger conflict.
Exactly...and one of the reasons I believe it probably will not start there.

I do not see the PLAN pushing that far from home until after they are more powerful and secure within the 1st island chain...and that means Taiwan at a minimum. Until that is resolved, and that will ultimatley involve the US, I just do not see a Sino-Indian conflict emerging.

I could certainly and very easily be wrong.

I believe if the Pakistanis and China went together against India, India would get help...Australia, S. Korea, Japan, the US, the UK...all would see such a conflict as a threat to the stability of the entire region where they all have very critical interests
 
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adeptitus

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VIP Professional
As a hypothetical scenario, India has absolute advantage in the Bay of Bengal.

If you look at it geographically, China is on the other side of Bhutan, Thailand is on the other side of Burma, and Pakistan... well, they're on the other side of India.

Numerically speaking carriers cannot compete against land-based air force. India can base hundreds of airplanes from land bases right up to the Bay of Bengal. If they want to attack a PLAN fleet there, they don't even need to send ships out.
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crazyinsane105

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adeptitus said:
As a hypothetical scenario, India has absolute advantage in the Bay of Bengal.

If you look at it geographically, China is on the other side of Bhutan, Thailand is on the other side of Burma, and Pakistan... well, they're on the other side of India.

Numerically speaking carriers cannot compete against land-based air force. India can base hundreds of airplanes from land bases right up to the Bay of Bengal. If they want to attack a PLAN fleet there, they don't even need to send ships out.
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I don't think that the PLAN would be stupid enough to send its ships in the Bay of Bengal to fight the IN. That would make as much sense as the IN sending its ships into the South China Sea to fight the PLAN. The PLAN could probably send in subs into the area to harass the IN, but I don't think any surface ships would go there. Not until the PLAN gets more fighters in its arsenal will it risk that.
 

jatt

Junior Member
:rofl:
This is too stupid for me to post anything senseable so i'll just post some better facts.
This is what the IN group would look like
Carriers
1 ADS (MiG-29K LCA Harriers)
1 Viky (MiG-29K 24 VLS Shtyl on APAR)

Dystoryers
3-Type15A Banglore Class
3-Type 15 Delhi Class
5-Rajput Class

Firgates
3-Type 17A
3-Type 17 Shivalik Class
3-Talwar Class
3-Type 16A
3-Type 16

Corvettes
6-Type 28
4-Type 25A
4-Type 25
13-Veer Class

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vincelee

Junior Member
and they would all go down the drain because Indians don't have ASW. Let's face it, they never really had to face a significant sub thread.
 

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