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Yodello said:

Hold on... What I have stated is only from what I have observed. Can you proof anything that I've written to be unsubstantiated or nonsense? Just because you can't refute me logically, you call for me to be warned? I am only writing on this because, seriously, i sincerely believe that there is a cultural or mental thing that requires a nation or a people to be capable of becoming a true military superpower. That is what I believe is lacking in China, at least as of today.
I'm sorry for irritating you, but you're taking this too personally. Just take a moment an ponder upon what I've written. I believe it's a legitimate question to be asking, since we're all military enthusiasts.
Thanks.

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Jesus.

A war is NOT in the interests of either India or China.

We're only talking about a few hundred metres of barren mountain.

So get a grip and think logically.

Being a superpower is not about pummeling everyone into military submission at the slightest issue.

This border demarcation is between China and Bhutan. The more civilized way forward is for Hindustan to withdraw its military from a third country's territory and allow for the two countries (China and Bhutan) to resolve this matter between themselves as civilized nations in the 21st century. With Hindustan involving itself in a matter that has no direct concern with its own territory, Is both unwise and a kin to playing with fire deliberately. The fact that Hindustan having been giving the privilege to join the S.C.O, it ought conduct itself in a more mature and responsible manner. Bhutan is a peaceful nation, as are both China and Hindustan. As such, it will be a disappointment to all parties concerned, to be conducting themselves in such a manner that might lead to war. The world is observing these events unfold, and that world includes both small and large countries. They watch with a keen eye, to see how two big nations, conduct themselves with a small, land locked country, which has no army and no military might. In the world of politics, strategic policies, we tend to forget that regardless of the stakes. That we are all humans first, and as such, we owe to ourselves to find a way forward to progress as a species, peacefully and intelligently.

ougoah said:

They probably want to warn you because you have used fallacious reasoning to spark aggression from members. If you need me to hold your hand through this basic thinking process, I will oblige. Current inaction from China does not mean nothing will be done. Nothing being done does not mean no ability to do. India and the west seem to be trying to spark conflict here where a potential for escalation is more than likely, within which India will be ruined again and China will receive at least a bloody nose. What they have to gain is of lesser value when you remember that this issue involves Bhutan. This is how it will be defused by China. They're not interested in biting another bait. If and when they fight, it will be quick and they will throw serious weight around. So stop using your faulty reasoning to create sparks. No one here is stupid enough to bite your bait. A strong nation does not need to prove itself at every moment it is challenged.

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'fallacious reasoning'? Can you show me the path to true reasoning "O' Enlightened One"?
"Current inaction from China does not mean nothing will be done"....really? Inaction means Inaction.Period.
"A strong nation does not need to prove itself at every moment it is challenged". A strong Nation wouldn't be challenged Left, Right and Center the way China is being challenged right now. By your own reasoning, doesn't it prove that China is not a strong nation? At least Militarily?
Please don't take your incapacity to provide facts and counter-arguments to my questions and try to force your unreasonable logic down my throat.
I've stated and asked valid questions, and I think they make sense. All those beating around the bushes doesn't change the fact.

Yodello said:

Been hearing something along those lines for several weeks now. Fact is, China has been invaded, and it still hasn't been able to do jackshit. In the first place, if China had shown that it has the capability of using deadly force, and is willing to use it, no country would dare step on its shores. What India has done is to show utter disrespect for Chinese military capability, because they believe China is a Paper-Tiger, and so far China has been shown to be a Paper-Tiger. India has stepped up to China's face and farted in China's nose. What's the point of all the hyped up military capabilities when you can't even deter a so-called 'inferior' enemy? Forget about U.S, Russia or the European powers, who are far more aggressive and warlike by nature and are extremely creative in matters of warfare. I guess its not just the numbers or the fancy toys. As I've stated so many times before, It takes more than just fancy High-Tech toys to be a true Superpower. I have a feeling that China lacks that 'edge' to catapult it into a true military superpower. Let's wait and see.

'fallacious reasoning'? Can you show me the path to true reasoning "O' Enlightened One"?
"Current inaction from China does not mean nothing will be done"....really? Inaction means Inaction.Period.
"A strong nation does not need to prove itself at every moment it is challenged". A strong Nation wouldn't be challenged Left, Right and Center the way China is being challenged right now. By your own reasoning, doesn't it prove that China is not a strong nation? At least Militarily?
Please don't take your incapacity to provide facts and counter-arguments to my questions and try to force your unreasonable logic down my throat.
I've stated and asked valid questions, and I think they make sense. All those beating around the bushes doesn't change the fact.

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The exact reason that China is being challenged is because it is strong, but not the strongest. The resident superpower is nervous of losing its position so it's placing challenges and traps everywhere to try to hinder the rising power. As a rising power, China must prove its mettle by navigating and circumventing these challenges as it's doing now. If all it took was the knee-jerk reaction to blow 'em sky high, they wouldn't be challenges. The fact is that China balances its matters; it is militarily very strong but if it's not smart, it can be overwhelmed if all its issues (ROC, Korea, India, SCS) come crashing down on it with an American body slam being center force. If China just wants to beat the shit out of India and take whatever consequences (loss in Korea, ROC theater?) that comes with it, that's exactly what the US wants to see and what this trap was set for. China's getting stronger, and one day with hard work and the current trends continuing, it will be strong enough so that no one will dare challenge it, but that day is not here yet, so prematurely acting is called taking bait.

In the end, though, I have no real opinion on what should be done because I have the ultimate level of trust that the CCP's ability to judge the situation and make decisions is infinitely better than mine or anyone else's here. I simply want to watch what they do. I know what I would like to see. I'd like to see the Indians bloody and crying, violently repelled dozens of square kilometers deeper into their own territory which China will keep to remind them that there is a price to pay even if fighting for Bhutan's land, but I understand that what I would like to see may not be the best option going forth and that the CCP's plans are better than mine.

I don't know why you're so aggressive and simple-minded. Everyone here has warned you, and given you reasons time and time again that these political affairs are like a game of strategy, but you seem to never know anything other than immediate thoughtless reactionary force. I'm sick of hearing you write over and over again, the same thoughtless chest-thumping, "China just doesn't have BALLS! It's ALL about BALLS, BRAVADO! Get in there and KICK-ASS! Someone set foot in your territory? NUKE EM!! Don't think about what happens next; take things as they come! You don't even have the balls to MURDER invaders??" This is garbage and everyone's sick of it and if China ever gets a leader like this, who makes Kim Jong Un look reasonable, China is doomed. Now shut up and remember that China is the SECOND most powerful country in the world, being tested at every turn by the MOST powerful nation in the world; if it could overcome these traps by sheer force and knee-jerk reaction, they would never have been laid. China needs to act with tact and strategy or it will be ruined.

Next time you need to vent thoughtless frustration, go scream at a wall. This place is for intelligent discussion.

Yodello said:

Been hearing something along those lines for several weeks now. Fact is, China has been invaded, and it still hasn't been able to do jackshit. In the first place, if China had shown that it has the capability of using deadly force, and is willing to use it, no country would dare step on its shores. What India has done is to show utter disrespect for Chinese military capability, because they believe China is a Paper-Tiger, and so far China has been shown to be a Paper-Tiger. India has stepped up to China's face and farted in China's nose. What's the point of all the hyped up military capabilities when you can't even deter a so-called 'inferior' enemy? Forget about U.S, Russia or the European powers, who are far more aggressive and warlike by nature and are extremely creative in matters of warfare. I guess its not just the numbers or the fancy toys. As I've stated so many times before, It takes more than just fancy High-Tech toys to be a true Superpower. I have a feeling that China lacks that 'edge' to catapult it into a true military superpower. Let's wait and see.

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I had a feeling you don't know what you're talking about. India is the one that's losing face big time that it can't secure disputed land or prevent China and Pakistan to do whatever they want on their control side of Kashmir with CPEC development.

Yodello said:

'fallacious reasoning'? Can you show me the path to true reasoning "O' Enlightened One"?
"Current inaction from China does not mean nothing will be done"....really? Inaction means Inaction.Period.
"A strong nation does not need to prove itself at every moment it is challenged". A strong Nation wouldn't be challenged Left, Right and Center the way China is being challenged right now. By your own reasoning, doesn't it prove that China is not a strong nation? At least Militarily?
Please don't take your incapacity to provide facts and counter-arguments to my questions and try to force your unreasonable logic down my throat.
I've stated and asked valid questions, and I think they make sense. All those beating around the bushes doesn't change the fact.

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And what is your nation's war record again? I thought so. Whatever it is, it sure can't handle China.

Yodello said:

'fallacious reasoning'? Can you show me the path to true reasoning "O' Enlightened One"?
"Current inaction from China does not mean nothing will be done"....really? Inaction means Inaction.Period.
"A strong nation does not need to prove itself at every moment it is challenged". A strong Nation wouldn't be challenged Left, Right and Center the way China is being challenged right now. By your own reasoning, doesn't it prove that China is not a strong nation? At least Militarily?
Please don't take your incapacity to provide facts and counter-arguments to my questions and try to force your unreasonable logic down my throat.
I've stated and asked valid questions, and I think they make sense. All those beating around the bushes doesn't change the fact.

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Please explain to me why the US hasn't attacked the NK yet. It surely isn't because what the NK has done. I think everyone in the world knows that it's because China is stopping the US. And China is probably the ONLY reason that the US has not attacked the NK yet. If China is such a paper tiger, why is the US hesitating?

When China was building all their artificial islands in the South China Sea "illegally", why hasn't the US attacked those "illegal" structures? If China is being pushed around like a 4-ft tall and 80 Ibs nerd in a school hallway, what is stopping the 6'10" 300 Ibs gorilla from shoving him into a locker? Why is the jock still standing on the sideline and only yelling but not showing everyone who's the boss?

If the sole superpower in the world is showing its respect to China, "what China is not doing" may be more than what you think...

So why is China still not doing anything to India? Think of it this way. When you are a 6'2" 250 Ibs guy, you don't want to be seen beating up a 10-year old kid, no matter how much that kid is annoying the heck out of you. Yes, you can do it. But it does nothing to help your street cred.

China doesn't need to really do anything. Facts are very straight ...

1. China has held 24 rounds of bilateral talks with Bhutan over international border demarcation.

2. Hindustan has sent it's troops in another country's territory. This is despite the fact that Bhutan and China are engaged in bilateral talks.

3. There are no Chinese troops on Hindustani territory (Sikkim sector), which makes Hindustan the aggressor by default.

4. Hindustan seems to contradict it's own policy when it comes to disputes over territory. Where it has adamantly stood by no third party mediation on the Kashmir dispute. Yet when there is a dispute between Bhutan and China, Hindustan has intervened.

Anyway you look at it, Hindustan is the one who is digging itself a hole by involving itself in a matter pertaining to a dispute where it's own territory is not being encroached upon. The longer Hindustan drags this intervention debacle, it loses credibility in the international arena. China just needs to sit and watch Hindustan plunge itself deeper in the hole. While it (China) rallies international support on the matter. Either way, China isn't the aggressor here, Hindustan is and that's what the world will remember about the dispute. All China needs to do is highlight this fact on all fronts in the international arena.

The MoD Chimes in
From Henri K blog
Statement of the Chinese MoD tonight "Goodwill is not without principle, restraint is not without limit."
Foreign ministry spoke person Geng Shuang rebut Indian assertion of peaceful intention

"Indian side is always keeping 'peace' on the tip of its tongue. But we should not only listen to its words but also heed its deeds," Geng said in the statement.
Rising pitch of rebuttal,The time for talking is drawing to an end

Ministry of Defense spokesman Ren Guoqiang on the Indian border troops illegally cross the border into the territory of China issued a speech
Source: Defense Network Editor: Tang Chuanfei 2017-08-03 23:27 August 2,
The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the "Indian border forces in the India border cross into the territory of China and the Chinese position "document. On 18 June, stated the Indian border guards illegally crossed the border into China's territory.

Up to now, the Indian border troops still have personnel and machinery illegally stranded in Chinese territory. India's violation of China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, in violation of the 1890 "Sino-British Treaty of India and India," in violation of the "Charter of the United Nations" it is the basic principles of international law and the basic norms of international relations , trampling it is very serious transgression.

Since the incident, China has made great efforts in resolving the current situation through diplomatic channels. The Chinese army has always maintained a high degree of restraint to maintain the overall situation of bilateral relations and regional peace and stability.

But goodwill is not without the principle, restraint is not bottomless.

The Indian side should dispel any fantasies . No country should underestimate the confidence and ability of the Chinese army to fulfill its responsibility for defending peace nor should it underestimate the determination and will of the Chinese army to safeguard national sovereignty, security and development interests.

The Chinese army will unswervingly maintain its territorial sovereignty and security interests. We strongly urge the Indian side to immediately withdraw the border troops from the border side of India, as soon as possible to properly resolve the incident and restore peace and tranquility in the border areas of the two countries.

Possible hot spot in the long border

I was once upset for China's inaction on this, they were not mobilizing their military to strike nor did they do any serious effort in explain their point of view to the world. But now look like China is finally on a diplomatic push to explain their narrative.

Notice even though the West clearly favoring India, and trying to build them up into a anti-China coalition to contain China, but none of Western nation is taking India's side on this, this is simply because what India did was so ridiculous that no amount of bias will justify India's action.

Also notice that India only have 40 troops left, when they invade it was over 300, once China win this narrative war India will be even more isolated, and that gives China more options to do whatever it wants without criticism, they can strike those Indian soldiers that are still left there or just arrest them and no one will take India's side.

My final take on this is that before, China's India policy was mainly to just ignore India on purpose, keep the peace with India, but at same time India has been very provocative lately to towards China and China never took the bait. Now look like India got what it wanted, it now has China's full attention and they will regret it.

I expect China to strength its own India containment policy by getting even closer to India's neighbor like Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. And maybe secretly support separatist movements inside India. India will wish they never done this.